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I saw an XL van yesterday with one of those stickers for their family on it. They had 10 kids in that sticker. There has to be a better way to fund education. Doing my math there are probably 20+ houses supporting that one family if they live locally. I’m not sure what our local property tax rate is going to education per house but I really do think long term New Hampshire has to find another way to support education. Education expenses will probably increase, not decrease, and I would hate to see what happens to people who can’t afford their property tax increases. Especially if good jobs become more scarce with automation in say 20 more years. Then again with the money printer going, now national eviction moratorium, and no economic improvement in sight maybe inflation or the economy will throw a wrench that my non-economist self can’t predict. Also to note, as others have mentioned, if a lot of people work out of state some of that low tax rate benefit really goes out the window.
We could have a selective sales tax to try to target specific industries or non essential goods. Things like tourism perhaps. Also there is a tax on prepared food.
We could have a selective sales tax to try to target specific industries or non essential goods. Things like tourism perhaps. Also there is a tax on prepared food.
I saw an XL van yesterday with one of those stickers for their family on it. They had 10 kids in that sticker. There has to be a better way to fund education. Doing my math there are probably 20+ houses supporting that one family if they live locally. I’m not sure what our local property tax rate is going to education per house but I really do think long term New Hampshire has to find another way to support education. Education expenses will probably increase, not decrease, and I would hate to see what happens to people who can’t afford their property tax increases. Especially if good jobs become more scarce with automation in say 20 more years. Then again with the money printer going, now national eviction moratorium, and no economic improvement in sight maybe inflation or the economy will throw a wrench that my non-economist self can’t predict. Also to note, as others have mentioned, if a lot of people work out of state some of that low tax rate benefit really goes out the window.
We could have a selective sales tax to try to target specific industries or non essential goods. Things like tourism perhaps. Also there is a tax on prepared food.
Would you rather pay $8k in property tax, or $6k in property tax + $6k in an assortment of other new taxes? The method of extracting taxes from you doesn't matter, only the total amount does.
Enacting new taxes in the hope "someone else" will pay them, and you'll be spared, won't work. Getting school spending under control is the only thing that will work. Until then, you can expect your taxes to keep going up, regardless of the form of extraction.
<sarc> Obviously the answer is a progressive tax on children, with a one-child-per family deduction. Could be balanced by a tax credit for homeschooling (or for paying to send them to a private school) </sarc>
Would you rather pay $8k in property tax, or $6k in property tax + $6k in an assortment of other new taxes? The method of extracting taxes from you doesn't matter, only the total amount does.
That 6k in an assortment of other taxes would probably come from people who earn above a certain amount - so not everyone would pay it. And the current system is FUBAR because nearly half of the property in NH is in current use so those property owners contribute 95% less than others to school funding vs. all other property owners including raw land owners who don't have their property in current use. The state constitution says that funding an adequate education is a state issue so people other than property owners need to start paying along with those who are milking others through current use subsidies.
In case anyone is interested - I had posted a link to a working group trying to come up with an alternative funding formula and if you live in say Bridgewater, NH - they propose raising your tax rate by nearly $6 per thousand from where it is now. How is that fair?
I don't like taxes - period - but the system needs to change -- especially the current use scam.
Enacting new taxes in the hope "someone else" will pay them, and you'll be spared, won't work.
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Originally Posted by illtaketwoplease
That 6k in an assortment of other taxes would probably come from people who earn above a certain amount - so not everyone would pay it.
Nice selective quoting, and a good example the "Make somebody else pay" in the part you didn't quote:
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Originally Posted by jdhpa
Enacting new taxes in the hope "someone else" will pay them, and you'll be spared, won't work. Getting school spending under control is the only thing that will work. Until then, you can expect your taxes to keep going up, regardless of the form of extraction.
I saw an XL van yesterday with one of those stickers for their family on it. They had 10 kids in that sticker. There has to be a better way to fund education. Doing my math there are probably 20+ houses supporting that one family if they live locally. I’m not sure what our local property tax rate is going to education per house but I really do think long term New Hampshire has to find another way to support education. Education expenses will probably increase, not decrease, and I would hate to see what happens to people who can’t afford their property tax increases. Especially if good jobs become more scarce with automation in say 20 more years. Then again with the money printer going, now national eviction moratorium, and no economic improvement in sight maybe inflation or the economy will throw a wrench that my non-economist self can’t predict. Also to note, as others have mentioned, if a lot of people work out of state some of that low tax rate benefit really goes out the window.
We could have a selective sales tax to try to target specific industries or non essential goods. Things like tourism perhaps. Also there is a tax on prepared food.
No average middle class person would ever be able to afford to have 10 kids in this day in age. They are most likely very wealthy or lower income. And yes, if they are using public schools they are forcing all the property taxpayers in their town to bear a huge burden of rising costs. As someone who works in the GIS field with a background in demography, it is becoming apparent that age structure of the population is skewing more elderly with people in general having far fewer children. However, you have the outliers that have a very large number of children.
That is what "current use" land owners do now. The state of NH knows the current tax system is flawed which is one reason they pushed through the accessory dwelling unit reg. I'm not going to feel bad for anyone that wants to keep the current tax structure like it is - doesn't want any tax relief for property owners - and that supports letting half of the land in NH get a 95% tax break under current use which still lets the owner of that land retain development rights. Putting it into a conservation easement is different.
Anyone voting for Biden wants to raise everyone else's taxes - so it's not just a NH issue. Govt. and the bureaucracy that lives off of taxpayers is the enemy - not this poster.
Maybe the answer is to reduce, restrict, or get rid of the current use subsidy. Especially for people who don’t actually want it to be used. Just because the subsidy is gone, does not mean it has to be developed.
Sooner or later, local taxes will become so onerous that the NH legislature will be forced to impose a general income tax on the people.
I submit PA's income tax as a model. It's a flat tax of 3.07% on all categories of income. The rate started out at 2.2% in the early 1970s but when a democrat is elected to the governorship, spending increases and so does the tax rate. The PA constitution does not permit progressive taxation. There is no such provision in the NH constitution.
Note that all categories of income are included except combat pay and retirement income. If you are a sole proprietor or partner in a business, that income is also included. Compare that to NH's 8.5% business profits tax, which applies to every business and professional practice that's not a corporation.
I would not start a thread asking for more taxes..
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Just go ahead and tax kids directly
Enacting new taxes in the hope "someone else" will pay them, and you'll be spared, won't work.
