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i think this is true to a point, but often not to the extent that most people who make this argument try to claim. i have multiple friends and family in construction management. they'll complain about union workers in some regards, but they'll also tell you point blank that you aren't going to build a building with non-union workers and pass inspections (without the corruption involved) because the work is not as good. some unions obviously overstep their bounderies and abuse the power they've gained.
but, if unions lead to higher wages, couldn't it conversely be argued that private jobs with no unions lead to lower wages? so across the board i guess we all even out! hehehe
Unions aren't a problem in themselves -- after all, in the private sector, the worst they can do is bankrupt their employer.
You only have a problem when you have a powerful union, and their employer is the government.
The construction unions you mention aren't gouging the tax payer. Also, it's probably the case that the more capable employees prefer to work for a union shop -- after all, they probably get better pay and conditions there. What makes it different from the public sector, is that their employer needs to get something in return for their increased labor costs, otherwise they will be undercut by a non union shop.
Of course it's all irrelevant as the State and towns are all going quietly bankrupt.
Odds are very high that most pensions will eventually be settled for pennies on the dollar as there won't be the money to pay out what people expect.
If you risk you life to keep others safe on a daily basis, what is a good salary you feel they deserve? Just like when I was in the military, others cried about what we make but would never stand in our place to get paid in peanuts. All the liberals out there believe that this country would function properly without the presence of law enforcement. Try it. What does the average doctor, lawyer, psychologist, judge, etc Etc make, a lot more than police. And why? A doctor will never take a bullet to save someone, a judge will never come from behind his desk to stop a convict going after someone, a lawyer will never work in bad weather and help stranded motorists, but police do every day.
After taxes, social security, FICA, Medicare and all those other deductions from my pay I make less than half of that number you see. I have to pay my own rent, bills, and healthcare because I'm not eligible for any assistance in my state. So don't say we make too much money because a third of my salary goes to taxes.
I think people have an inflated idea of what a $90,000 salary is in this state. It's garbage. And to be risking your life and dealing with the trashiest aggressive filth of society on a daily basis? No way I'd do it for twice that.
I think people have an inflated idea of what a $90,000 salary is in this state. It's garbage. And to be risking your life and dealing with the trashiest aggressive filth of society on a daily basis? No way I'd do it for twice that.
This thread is 5 years old. The median is now above 100k, and is higher in many of the wealthier towns. Cops in those towns aren't risking their lives or dealing with filth.
Salaries are not just a product of the duties of the profession. The day to day risks and activities of a job will only get you so far. You don't see too many commercial fishermen, lumberjacks, and coal miners driving around in Bentleys. The bigger factor, the one that takes you to the next level, is the difficulty in attaining the job. The hurdles needed to be jumped may be education level, or fighting your way up the ladder.
When it comes to public sector jobs, since it is not market driven, often the opposite occurs. Meaning the salary defines the hurdles rather than the hurdles defining the salaries. You can make police or teacher's salaries as high as doctor's, lawyer's, or CEO's salaries, but then the competition for those jobs will skyrocket. The average police officer will need a law degree. The average teacher will need a PhD.
This may be good for society. Maybe not. But make no mistake, most of the people who are cops and teachers fighting for higher salaries now would not qualify for their jobs in the future. I am not against higher salaries, but these are the ramifications (or rewards, depending on how you look at it) that go along with it.
This thread is 5 years old. The median is now above 100k, and is higher in many of the wealthier towns. Cops in those towns aren't risking their lives or dealing with filth.
You should join up and agree to do the job at half salary. Problem solved
You should join up and agree to do the job at half salary. Problem solved
I'm happy with my job thanks. But if had no college degree and nothing else to do I would definitely become a cop for 50k and collect that sweet pension for the rest of my life beginning at age 48.
This isn't news to me since I personally know of a copy who makes over 100k/yr. His house is worth nearly 700k and he's supporting that on his income alone! My husband and I have to work two jobs just to afford our 500k home.
I wonder if more N. Jerseyans would cry foul if they knew these numbers.
Something's gotta give when the avg. cop makes 27% more than your avg. resident in other parts of the country, but here in Jersey, the avg. cop makes 55% more... I say just outsource the work.
This doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is the freebies cops get and expect from people. I've heard of a lot of people with businesses get shaken down by cops basically demanding free goods for themselves and their families. Cops have no problems outright asking for a bribe. The others have NO problem protecting them and LYING when they say it's a rarity. Most cops are no better than the people they lock up.
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