List some of New Jersey's "Secondhand Suburbs" (Newark: apartment complexes, elementary school)
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What is the point of a list like this? All towns change.
What about when all of the Dutch folks in some towns in Bergen County got ticked when the white ethnic Catholics moved out of the city into their towns and "took over"?
I guess you could really go back to the Native Americans with a discussion like this.
I witnessed that! Italians and Irish and Polish, oh my!
And they weren't even considered white when they first arrived in the 1800s in the cities.
No, they weren't. As a matter of fact, I had this funny conversation with my late father once. It had to be in the 90's, and I was saying how around 1980 the word "pasta" suddenly came into the general American lexicon and with that all the prices went up. He laughed and said, "That's right! When I was growing up, white people only ever called it 'spaghetti' or 'macaroni'." I said, "Uh, WHITE PEOPLE, Dad?" because my father was not a prejudiced type of guy and it was funny to hear him say this. He laughed at himself, and said that when he was growing up in the 1920's and 1930's, Italians were not considered white people by those from more northern European origins. As a matter of fact, the part of Paterson where they lived was the "Italian and Negro" section.
Re the Irish--I remember reading that in the first half of the 19th century, they were counted as non-white in the US census.
its interesting to think of times (really places since it still happens now in some places) when white people didnt like other white people because of their country of origin. it seems to happen in places with lots of white immigrants. i remember my grandpa (jewish) talked about how growing up in brownsville (brooklyn) he didnt get along with the italians. he was generally not a fan of non-jews or blacks. i enjoyed talking to him about it.
growing up in manalapan/marlboro new jersey, i always just considered myself white. but in brooklyn, they call me russian when they look at me. when some guy referred to me as "the stocky russian" it was weird because i dont really associate myself with any country other than america.
South Orange
Livingston
Morristown
Parsippany
South Bound Brook (was mostly white trash, now has a Hispanic presence)
Evesham
Alloway
Gibbsboro
Pennsauken
Bellmawr
Spring Lake Heights
Flemington
Linden
Long Branch
its interesting to think of times (really places since it still happens now in some places) when white people didnt like other white people because of their country of origin. it seems to happen in places with lots of white immigrants. i remember my grandpa (jewish) talked about how growing up in brownsville (brooklyn) he didnt get along with the italians. he was generally not a fan of non-jews or blacks. i enjoyed talking to him about it.
growing up in manalapan/marlboro new jersey, i always just considered myself white. but in brooklyn, they call me russian when they look at me. when some guy referred to me as "the stocky russian" it was weird because i dont really associate myself with any country other than america.
It's human nature, I guess. My paternal grandmother felt my father married beneath him because my mother's family came from a part of Holland where they spoke the "lower-class" Dutch dialect. First of all, they were already three generations in the US on both sides and no one was fluent in Dutch anymore. Secondly, how big is the Netherlands and they had all these dumb prejudices over a dialect?
OP, I don't think you really understood the article (assuming you read the NYT one and not someone writing about it without doing it justice) that inspired the whole "second-hand suburb" thing. The idea wasn't just places receiving black flight from the cities, but rather places with that in addition to old & poorly maintained housing stock, declining services, and white flight (and specifically were inner ring, but that was kind of Detroit-specific) -- places the new residents fleeing from the inner city are getting "second-hand" as it were.
The term was not intended as a euphemism for "places black people live in or are moving to," but to express the author's worry that a combination of moving to suburbs that were kind of decaying already + the resulting white flight would wipe out many of the personal benefits the people moving to them were hoping to gain.
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