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Old 10-11-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: new jersey
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Dems are equally to blame as the republicans. Let me ask you this...do you have any kids?? If you do, what chance do you think they have of making any kind of decent living? Republicans don't want anyone but their elite cronies to prosper...bottom line. Dems are just looking for a quick-fix type of plan, which may get some jobs created, though in the long run we will still be in the same, losing situation. But, really, dems/reps have very little to do with what is nosediving this, and other countries into oblivion. I seen this coming long ago, way back in the late 80's, which is why I made sure to never have any kids of my own.
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:25 PM
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Let's face the truth here. Mr. Clinton set us up for this nightmare. Nafta gave American businesses an exit strategy to prosperity. A free pass to get out of Dodge so to speak. Was Bubba ignorant enough to not know this? Hardly. The Clintons and the Obamas are one world government socialists that want to take care of every citizen from womb to tomb because they think that we, the people, are not smart enough to take care of ourselves and need their guidance and supervision. Malignant narcissists of the highest order. Obama's jobs bill? It's another stimulus package like the 700+ billion dollar one he already tried that failed miserably. Wake up and smell the coffee! You can not spend your way out of debt! Clinton laid the groundwork for our economy to fail with both Nafta and the commodities modernization act and Barry Soetoro Hussein Obama took the ball and ran with it. The real goal is to cripple or crush capitalism. To destroy the American dream. You really want the government to dictate your every move from womb to tomb? Not me. Obama is even trying to force a takeover of the internet by the FCC. I say it's time we put Jesus back in Washington. This country was founded on good, moral Christian values and that's what should be dictating our government policies. Not a bunch of Godless Socialists.

Let's all make 2012 an error correction election and send Obama back to the cesspool better known as Chicago Illinois!
Dude ... since you are such a proficient "reader", you should maybe peruse this article, and see where NAFTA really originated, who was against it, and who supported it.

Remember, Reading is Fundamental.

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North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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It's a 4 year program and tuition was about $55,000/year without books, health insurance, all the fees colleges tack on, housing, etc which brought it to around $75,000/yr. Since I'm an NJ resident and NJ doesn't have a vet school I had to pay out of state tuition. They used to contract with several states to provide in state tuition but those were cut right before I was accepted. 4th year you get charged another semester because you are in clinical rotations throughout the summer.
i understand. 4 years comes to $220,000 without calculating interest accumulated. and as you said, the added costs on top. no financial aid i guess. wow. that's unreal though. good luck!
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Dude ... since you are such a proficient "reader", you should maybe peruse this article, and see where NAFTA really originated, who was against it, and who supported it.

Remember, Reading is Fundamental.

Can I use the emoticons now?

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
come on, that's not fair...facts are not allowed in this discussion!
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:52 PM
pvs
 
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come on, that's not fair...facts are not allowed in this discussion!
No worry, Brady, he won't read it, nor understand it if he does. I'll probably get a reply that the link is some "*******" page or something useless like that. The secret is safe.
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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So, the Tea Party folks go after things like welfare and unemployment, which even if elminated in their entirety (food stamps, housing, job training, etc.) tomorrow would barely put a dent in the budget deficit.
you are painting the tea party as not wanting to touch social security and medicare and i dont think thats accurate. you are going to have various members that may hold up a sign of that nature, but i dont think thats the tea party consensus (or general feeling since i dont believe you can have consensus among the tea party because its not a party). on defense, i agree that it seems generally agreed among conservatives that we cant cut the military. i just dont understand that. our geographic location should mean we should be spending less on military than other countries. but instead we spend tons more. military should be cut drastically.
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:03 PM
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on defense, i agree that it seems generally agreed among conservatives that we cant cut the military. i just dont understand that. our geographic location should mean we should be spending less on military than other countries. but instead we spend tons more. military should be cut drastically.
And Homeland Security. Can I put my shoes back on now? How about my undies. We spend billions to protect a few hundred on a plane, but virtually nothing to maintain our highways, where we lose tens of thousands of lives every year.
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:10 PM
 
Location: NJ
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And Homeland Security. Can I put my shoes back on now? How about my undies. We spend billions to protect a few hundred on a plane, but virtually nothing to maintain our highways, where we lose tens of thousands of lives every year.
i think 9/11 has been used to justify an insane amount of overspending. republicans act as if we are getting attacked by terrorists on a daily basis. the reality is we had 1 terrible attack in recent memory. i dont know how many attacks our added security has thwarted, but it seems to me like we are 1. doing more than is needed and 2. could transfer assets that are overseas doing nothing of value to us here to protect the homeland.

oh and the whole north korea thing is a huge joke. one funny thing was to see democrats start screaming about north korea when it became clear we were going to attack iraq. north korea is japan's problem, not america's. let japan deal with it. oh and they are also south korea's problem and we should pull our soldiers from that border. its funny how we have almost 30,000 american soldiers on the korean border, how many are on the american border?
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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you are painting the tea party as not wanting to touch social security and medicare and i dont think thats accurate. you are going to have various members that may hold up a sign of that nature, but i dont think thats the tea party consensus (or general feeling since i dont believe you can have consensus among the tea party because its not a party). on defense, i agree that it seems generally agreed among conservatives that we cant cut the military. i just dont understand that. our geographic location should mean we should be spending less on military than other countries. but instead we spend tons more. military should be cut drastically.
that's because our "military" spending is tied to our interests in specific things around the world, whether they be resources, strong but powerful interest groups (Isreal), etc.

And despite what "members" of the "tea party" say on an individual basis, I don't hear any politicians really going after Social Security or Medicare. And i stated above why i think it will be very difficult for it to ever happen.
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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And Homeland Security. Can I put my shoes back on now? How about my undies. We spend billions to protect a few hundred on a plane, but virtually nothing to maintain our highways, where we lose tens of thousands of lives every year.
don't even get me started on that. It's half-arsed too. If we're going to do airport security, do it right. My friend just traveled through Europe and had an AK-47 in her face when she went through security.

Our smoke-and-mirrors airpor "security" accomplishes nothing but an illusion of safety.
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