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While I am 100% behind what the occupy wall street protesters are doing, one picture in this weekends star ledger, on page 10, depicts all 3 causes that have lead to our spiraling downfall. While republicans, corporate greed, illegals, and businesses moving into other countries sure don't do anything to help the problem, combined, they don't do, or aren't doing as much damage to the U.S. as any one of the big 3 causes are doing individually. Mr. Obama, or anybody couldn't solve this crisis we are heading into even if the american jobs act were to bring in 450 quintillion dollars towards new jobs.
A question...does anybody even know what any of the 3 causes are?
I can trace just about any and every negative problem worldwide to at least one of the 3.
Let's face the truth here. Mr. Clinton set us up for this nightmare. Nafta gave American businesses an exit strategy to prosperity. A free pass to get out of Dodge so to speak. Was Bubba ignorant enough to not know this? Hardly. The Clintons and the Obamas are one world government socialists that want to take care of every citizen from womb to tomb because they think that we, the people, are not smart enough to take care of ourselves and need their guidance and supervision. Malignant narcissists of the highest order. Obama's jobs bill? It's another stimulus package like the 700+ billion dollar one he already tried that failed miserably. Wake up and smell the coffee! You can not spend your way out of debt! Clinton laid the groundwork for our economy to fail with both Nafta and the commodities modernization act and Barry Soetoro Hussein Obama took the ball and ran with it. The real goal is to cripple or crush capitalism. To destroy the American dream. You really want the government to dictate your every move from womb to tomb? Not me. Obama is even trying to force a takeover of the internet by the FCC. I say it's time we put Jesus back in Washington. This country was founded on good, moral Christian values and that's what should be dictating our government policies. Not a bunch of Godless Socialists.
Let's all make 2012 an error correction election and send Obama back to the cesspool better known as Chicago Illinois!
The Tea Party doesn’t lack an agenda, they want the Government to stop spending money it doesn’t have and to stop trampling on American’s right. They want limited Government. I think the Tea Party protesters are very well organized, they have a clear and coherent message , they clean up after themselves, they’re respectful to the police, and they go back to work on Mon. after a Sat. protest
Al Gore like so many others in the “alternative energy movement” are hypocrites, there’s no way around it, they want to do things that are proven to not be effective at a huge cost to Americans, and they want to do this to enrich themselves, and hey, in a Capitalist society I have no problem with that at all, but they do it under the guise of caring about the environment, but their actions speak louder than words. I have no doubt that others in the alternative energy movement are like Al Gore, they don’t want Americans to drive SUV’s yet they take private planes to their appearance, they want Americans to conserve yet they live in homes where electricity costs alone in 1 month is higher than some of us pay for a year. You want alternative energy? fine, I have no problem with that, just don’t shove it down my throat and force me to go along with it.
honestly, we'll just agree to disagree on the Tea Party vs OWS. The tea party movement didn't start off as "well organized", but it got there.
as for Al Gore - again, why does what he does personally change the facts? what do the "alternative energy movement" want to do that are proven not to be effective, at a huge cost to Americans? care to list some examples?
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We have the Euro near collapse, now how well are those social programs in Europe working?
i believe i said "world", not "europe". but the Euro is still pretty strong, despite the economic issues in a handful of european countries. feel free to look at Germany, France, and the UK. But also look elsewhere around the world about how unemployment has been handled throughout history in very difficult recessions.
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Like Social Security, if you take into account what people have paid into the system versus what they get back as a benefit? people get much more back than they’ve actually paid. It’s naïve IMO to think we can actually continue down this road, we don’t have the money, something has to be done to revise a system that’s no longer sustainable. When SS 1st came about life expectancy was nowhere near what it is now, at that time it took 3 workers to pay for 1 person’s SS, it’s not like that anymore.
with Social Security, you are paid benefits based on what you've paid in. when you adjust for inflation, you don't really get back much more than what you paid in, unless you live longer than calculated. some people live less, so they get back less. that's how the program works.
i've been working some sort of job since i'm 16. so i've paid plenty into unemployment. i've not had to collect once yet.
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Of course the President doesn’t directly impact unemployment, although his programs do have an effect. Congress controls the purse strings but funny how that didn’t effect Bush getting all the blame when unemployment numbers starting rising/ Same with gas prices, I don’t blame the President for that YET the left blamed Bush.
Yes the Republicans had control for 6 years, and I never let them off easy, I thought things like the Prescription Drug Program was a nightmare as far as costs go, but the Republicans did raise concerns of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and you can’t deny that after the Democrats got elected in 2006 after saying they were going to cut back on costs that they not only went back on that promise but they spent more that even I could’ve imagined. Obama has spent more in almost 3 years than every President before him combined, that needs to be addressed.
did you point out any Bush policies that helped with that 5% unemployment number yet? No? That's what I thought.
Now, new question. What did Obama add to spending in almost 3 years? Are you counting the fact that he started included the cost of the wars, money already being spent, but not accounted for in spending? He also spent money as part of the bailout, that was voted on before he took office. You're counting that as well? So what number was Obama directly responsible for increasing? He's had his fair share, I recognize. But I'd like you to tell me what spending you count as his.
I'm by no means happy with the Congress from 2006-2008. But what spending are you pointing to that's more than even you could have imagined?
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Obama and the Democrats have been pushing this class warfare agenda for at least the past year, of course conveniently forgetting to mention how Wall Street went overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008, and Obama and Democrats being in bed with Wall Street. This demonstration or what I sometime call the “they have more than me and it’s not fair” tantrum began because of class envy, they weren’t frustrated, they were jealous, and they have political party elitists standing behind them fueling that jealousy, you can’t have a coherent message or thought when it’s based upon envy and jealousy. What they want is this, they want a free ride, they want to make a large salary without working their way up the ladder, they want a free college education because they say they’re stuck with debt, no 1 forced them to go to an expensive college, they could’ve gotten a job and gone to school part-time, but because we live in a society that allows them to get away with the “I want it now and I deserve it now” mentality, they think they’re owed something. No, you’re not owed a darn thing, and as we can see, the Governments who have allowed that mentality to continue are tearing at the seams ready to take the entire Country down with them. I don’t want that for the United States.
ahhh, yes. class warfare. Wall Street contributes to both parties, and they ramp it up when they see who they believe is going to win. They ensure that whoever is in office was well taken care of, no doubt about that. Hence the anger at the protests. What is the "class warefare" democrats are waging? Tax rates back to the 90s levels?
Who is it that you know that wants a free ride?
"they". gotta love it.
you have no coherant message, just the standard talking points of FOX.
Let's face the truth here. Mr. Clinton set us up for this nightmare. Nafta gave American businesses an exit strategy to prosperity. A free pass to get out of Dodge so to speak. Was Bubba ignorant enough to not know this? Hardly. The Clintons and the Obamas are one world government socialists that want to take care of every citizen from womb to tomb because they think that we, the people, are not smart enough to take care of ourselves and need their guidance and supervision. Malignant narcissists of the highest order. Obama's jobs bill? It's another stimulus package like the 700+ billion dollar one he already tried that failed miserably. Wake up and smell the coffee! You can not spend your way out of debt! Clinton laid the groundwork for our economy to fail with both Nafta and the commodities modernization act and Barry Soetoro Hussein Obama took the ball and ran with it. The real goal is to cripple or crush capitalism. To destroy the American dream. You really want the government to dictate your every move from womb to tomb? Not me. Obama is even trying to force a takeover of the internet by the FCC. I say it's time we put Jesus back in Washington. This country was founded on good, moral Christian values and that's what should be dictating our government policies. Not a bunch of Godless Socialists.
Let's all make 2012 an error correction election and send Obama back to the cesspool better known as Chicago Illinois!
NAFTA is socialism? wow. i've heard it all.
good, moral christian values? you obviously know little about christianity and Christ, himself, if you think that's somehow the opposite of socialism.
This country was founded on good, moral Christian values and that's what should be dictating our government policies. Not a bunch of Godless Socialists.
That is exactly what we need. A few more pedophiles running the country.
... I say it's time we put Jesus back in Washington. This country was founded on good, moral Christian values and that's what should be dictating our government policies. Not a bunch of Godless Socialists.
Now THIS was purely hilarious! It's the first I have ever heard that Jesus stood for greed and corruption. I thought He was into helping those who could not help themselves, and also something about a rich guy having a tough time getting his camel through the eye of a needle.
FWIW, I agree with you ... He should be at the helm in Washington, and in Congress and in Senate. But then, that would be the end to the wonderful checks and balances that were built into our constitution. Oh wait ... that's right ... they've been gone for decades.
ahhh, yes. class warfare. Wall Street contributes to both parties, and they ramp it up when they see who they believe is going to win. They ensure that whoever is in office was well taken care of, no doubt about that. Hence the anger at the protests. What is the "class warefare" democrats are waging? Tax rates back to the 90s levels?
Who is it that you know that wants a free ride?
"they". gotta love it.
you have no coherant message, just the standard talking points of FOX.
I have no coherent message in your opinion because you don't like the fact that my opinion differs from yours and your leftist comments don't intimidate me 1 bit, you're grasping, after the Fox talking point from the Democrats playbook what's next? we're racists?
BTW, you think this demonstration was spontaneous whereas I say it was coordinated by the Democrats, just think about this, what headlines were dominating the news until these demonstrations sprouted up? Solyndra and Fast and Furious, where are they now in the headlines?
The Tea Party doesn’t lack an agenda, they want the Government to stop spending money it doesn’t have and to stop trampling on American’s right. They want limited Government.
Well, maybe or maybe not. How does this "limited government" thing apply to defense policy ? The Ron Paul people would probably have a very different opinion to the Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachmann crowd.
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I think the Tea Party protesters are very well organized, they have a clear and coherent message , they clean up after themselves, they’re respectful to the police, and they go back to work on Mon. after a Sat. protest
The tea party is or started off as a grass roots movement. Part of the nature of grass roots movements, is that they don't start off with a clearly defined agenda. The movement started as a reaction to the bank bailouts, and Santelli's rant was about a bailout for home owners. There are certainly common themes, but there is no recognized "leader" of the tea party movement.
I agree that there is a consistent theme, which boils down to a call for less government spending. The problem is, when you get down to the tough policy questions, it becomes much less clear precisely what it is that they stand for (besides throwing out establishment types and replacing them with new blood who in the absence of a concrete policy agenda quickly adopt the party line of those they replace). Such as, what should government spend less on -- many of them wouldn't appreciate cuts in social security or medicare, at least not until their generation has cleaned it out, the more orthodox types (and certainly those who they elected) aren't exactly pushing for defense cuts.
For example, tea party "leader" Michelle Bachmann has expressed reluctance to take a "scalpel" to defense spending (never mind that the damn thing needs a hatchet), or to make changes to medicare that could lead to seniors paying more out of pocket (in other words, she's against medicare reform too). She is more notable for her uncompromising social conservatism than fiscal hawkishness.
For example, tea party "leader" Michelle Bachmann has expressed reluctance to take a "scalpel" to defense spending (never mind that the damn thing needs a hatchet), or to make changes to medicare that could lead to seniors paying more out of pocket (in other words, she's against medicare reform too). She is more notable for her uncompromising social conservatism than fiscal hawkishness.
China is building their military up at record levels, they're forging military alliances with Russia and Iran, and you think we need to cut back on defense spending? seriously?
China is building their military up at record levels, they're forging military alliances with Russia and Iran, and you think we need to cut back on defense spending? seriously?
This isn't about me. It's about whether or not the tea party have a coherent policy agenda. And the answer is, no, they do not. They talk a tough game, but when it comes to making tough policy choices, they often duck the hard questions.
good, moral christian values? you obviously know little about christianity and Christ, himself, if you think that's somehow the opposite of socialism.
No genius Nafta was just one of many of the *******s ways of trying to crumble the private sector and ruin the economy of the United States.
It is foretold in the bible of the one world government and the coming of the antichrist on the sixth trump. And yes socialism is but one vehicle used to bring forth the one world government.
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