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South Orange has half the population, more than twice the per-capita income, twice the housing values, a much lower crime index, etc.
Consolidating them into Newark would be just a tax grab, as it was in 1895. Except that it might have worked then; now it would just result in a land value crash in South and West Orange.
yeah i think they have more in common than just name
and isn't that the goal if you trying to expand Newark?
yeah i think they have more in common than just name
Then you didn't comprehend the links I gave hyou.
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and isn't that the goal if you trying to expand Newark?
How does it benefit people in East Orange, Orange, West Orange, or South Orange to be incorporated into Newark? The benefit to Newark is obvious (if fleeting), but benefiting Newark isn't really the goal for those of us who are living in any of the Oranges. Or for those in Livingston, Maplewood, Bloomfield, or Belleville who would have to figure they'd be next.
How does it benefit people in East Orange, Orange, West Orange, or South Orange to be incorporated into Newark? The benefit to Newark is obvious (if fleeting), but benefiting Newark isn't really the goal for those of us who are living in any of the Oranges. Or for those in Livingston, Maplewood, Bloomfield, or Belleville who would have to figure they'd be next.
From a cultural standpoint, you get to be the upscale neighborhood of a big important American city, rather than being some random suburb somewhere.
From a cultural standpoint, you get to be the upscale neighborhood of a big important American city, rather than being some random suburb somewhere.
Um, who cares? Even if Newark was a big important American city, why is it better to be an upscale neighborhood of it (a.k.a. piggy bank for the city government) than to be an independent suburb?
Thanks for all the input. First, as for the map I put up, I realize that is a completely unrealistic goal. However, I really don't think 5-10 towns should be as difficult as it sounds either. Take boroughs 18 19 20 21 22 in Camden County, for example. These towns all go to the same high school and are very similar socioeconomically. If they were combined, you'd have a new town that is 4.8 sq mi and has ~19000 people. This would honestly still be a small town, but there would surely be a lot of savings from going from five of everything to one. This is the type of thing I am truly advocating for, not trying to have Newark subsume everything as in that map (that was just for fun).
Wow, didn't know parts of the state were that fragmented (guess it shows my own myopically Northern NJ perspective). Yeah, completely agreed that if you have 5 similar towns already sharing the same high school with a total population of ~19,000 that's a no-brainer and will generate real savings without harming the social fabric. Ideally it should still be voluntary though to make sure everyone buys in and so as not to create a chilling atmosphere against service-sharing and mergers in other parts of the state.
How does it benefit people in East Orange, Orange, West Orange, or South Orange to be incorporated into Newark? The benefit to Newark is obvious (if fleeting), but benefiting Newark isn't really the goal for those of us who are living in any of the Oranges. Or for those in Livingston, Maplewood, Bloomfield, or Belleville who would have to figure they'd be next.
If you look at all the large city annexations in North America, the thoughts and concerns of the suburbs aren't really important.
If you look at all the large city annexations in North America, the thoughts and concerns of the suburbs aren't really important.
And that is one reason they aren't happening so much any more. People in the suburbs wised up and put roadblocks in place to prevent cities from absorbing them without their permission. In some cases via state law changes, in others by incorporating or changing the governmental form of the suburbs. Thus the various wealthy suburbs of Camden County need not worry about being annexed and squeezed dry by Camden City, nor can the Oranges, Bloomfield, or Belleville be taken by Newark. If you want it to happen you'll have to convince the NJ state legislature, and I think they'll want to know the municipalities involved are OK with it -- because otherwise they have to worry that their municipality will be next to be taken.
And that is one reason they aren't happening so much any more. People in the suburbs wised up and put roadblocks in place to prevent cities from absorbing them without their permission. In some cases via state law changes, in others by incorporating or changing the governmental form of the suburbs. Thus the various wealthy suburbs of Camden County need not worry about being annexed and squeezed dry by Camden City, nor can the Oranges, Bloomfield, or Belleville be taken by Newark. If you want it to happen you'll have to convince the NJ state legislature, and I think they'll want to know the municipalities involved are OK with it -- because otherwise they have to worry that their municipality will be next to be taken.
Or, more accurately put: having Newark RE-annex those areas as much of that region was Newark before. Combined with old voting power was based on land ownership and not populace. You're right in that NJ's evolved laws meant it was nearly impossible to reclaim it, as many other cities had done (and those were in the good years).
If you look at all the large city annexations in North America, the thoughts and concerns of the suburbs aren't really important.
It must be because suburbs can't survive without an anchoring city (Newark provides the anchor as a NY extension). Suburbs are the result of wealth, but they generally don't create their own wealth, I guess minimizing the concerns of adjacent suburbs.
Or, more accurately put: having Newark RE-annex those areas as much of that region was Newark before.
Not exactly. Newark TOWNSHIP was huge, and once encompassed many of those areas. The City of Newark never did.
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