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Add them up. Newark has 277,140. East Orange has 64,270. Orange has 30,134. West Orange has 46,207. And South Orange has 16,964. All the Oranges together have 157,575. When you consider that East Orange and Orange are in as bad shape as Newark itself, it looks even worse. Basically the wealthier areas end up being dominated by the poor ones, and there's only one way that can go -- tax the rich / feed the poor / 'til there are / rich no more.
Those numbers only work under the premise that all 277k+ residents in Newark are poor. Half of the city lives below the poverty line, but that still leaves well over 100k that don't. And East Orange despite its problems is definitely not in as bad as shape as Newark is. Even tiny Orange has its own enclaves of wealthier areas.
If wealthier areas being dominated by poor ones was a guarantee of being swallowed up then Forest Hills would've been devoured by the rest of Newark decades ago. Not to mention, Essex already gets taxed for its urban areas anyway.
Numbers are a good measuring point, but you use them too absolutely.
No idea, often wondered the same thing. Best guess would be lack of opportunity investment. Seems like the craze still continues to be gold coast -- Jersey City, Union City, and Hoboken mainly.
It's NYC build out. In that context, it's perfectly logical why it's those specific towns, and what parts of those towns. Those are the ones with the transit access. They, like Western Brooklyn, are the next destination for people and businesses being priced out or otherwise not wanting to pay for being in the main part of Manhattan. For that matter, there's plenty of needs that being IN Manhattan isn't all that well suited to, when businesses want a ton of space, better truck/freight access, etc. Hard to just throw up a 30 story corporate HQ in Manhattan unless you want to lay down a massive amount of $.
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It would be nice to see other areas get the same preferable treatment. Even Jersey City Heights is lagging behind the other areas surrounding it for gentrification.
It's isolated. It might be next to Hoboken, but actually getting between the two is a pain. Some of it is near JSQ, but Rt 139 does make it feel very split off, and the Northern end is just isolated in general from the growth More to the point though, it's not so much that it's impossible to get between them, but that the poor connectivity makes it a big barrier in terms of how people look at the area. Instead of the growth slowly spilling over it's going to take much more pressure to build up on the other side before people really start crossing that divide. That said, if I were investing in real estate for the long term, the Eastern and Southern edges of the Heights are probably a pretty surefire investment, especially nearer to the points of connection to Hoboken/JSQ, like the staircase to the HBLR station, the thru roads, etc.
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They are trying to do something with Harrison, but personally I think it's a ridiculous move since most of the new lofts are built on demolished factory grounds.
I don't agree. If anything, I think that's easier to redevelop. There's no pre-existing population or reputation to scare the people you're trying to attract away. Harrison is in a good spot for growth from all sides. It's got PATH service which means fast NYC + Gold Coast access. It's bordered by Kearny (fine), nothing (highways, rail yards, water), and the better part/economic center of Newark. It's also not THAT connected to Newark, only two bridges instead of the full street grid makes it feel more separate.
To comment further on the earlier part of the post, it's easier to live in Harrison and get to a job in NYC or JC/Gold Coast, than it would be to live in much of JC Heights and get to those same things. That's why Harrison is redeveloping.
I would like to see Hudson county and Essex county merge into a 2 borough system. Kind of like how New York city is set up. That would give us our own Major city.
This is a very interesting idea as each city compliments the other surprisingly well, but both Newark and JC have to continue to gain strength before anyone even considers merging the two. Not only do they need to clean up the crime within each city but be able to attract companies on their own as well as see a large influx of residents. Then expand outward on their own before anyone could make an argument to combine the two. It would certainly create an interesting dynamic with two major business districts, one in Downtown Newark and one in Downtown JC.
The only city that I've really seen following this trend is Jersey City. It seems other cities like Trenton, Newark, and Camden aren't following the trends of cities like Philadelphia and New York where people are getting priced out at rapid rates and you see massive shifts in demographics. Why is that?
city data sadly isn't the spokesperson for jersey ... Newark had the most development projects in the state actually over a third of them. keep in mind there is almost no jersey media.. also keep in mind that Trenton is in the middle of nowhere and that Camden cant become Hoboken until philly becomes nyc ( figuratively speaking ) Englewood Hackensack and new Brunswick have had development
This is a very interesting idea as each city compliments the other surprisingly well, but both Newark and JC have to continue to gain strength before anyone even considers merging the two. Not only do they need to clean up the crime within each city but be able to attract companies on their own as well as see a large influx of residents. Then expand outward on their own before anyone could make an argument to combine the two. It would certainly create an interesting dynamic with two major business districts, one in Downtown Newark and one in Downtown JC.
they would need to annex suburbs ( north Hudson Hoboken bayonne to jersey city , west Hudson the oranges bloomfield Belleville and Irvington to Newark * Irvington only survives on county money * )
they would need to improve transit between the two areas ivy hill and west new York are on opposite sides of the world . business are already moving into jersey city ( goldman , chase) and Newark ( Panasonic, audible , devils) but the light rail would tie the twin cities together .
last but not least we need our own media networks and to bill ourselves not as nyc younger sister but as nyc hot cousin from outta town ( the one you really want)
they need to try to bring back in an immigrant class to Newark side of things, north Hudson will represent jersey citys working class
crime rates would plummet in someways due to the sheer population ( Newark has a lot of murders bloomfield and east Newark and Harrison have almost none) crime rate is done based on per 100k Newark would be at like 600k and jersey city at 700 k you can then consolidate the police depts. for both cities into a metro police dept ... now you have so many cops that you can create different units to fight crime ( now that you have big city resources)
its so much easier to try to lure people to a metro area with 2 cities ( choice ) and the same with business ... you could try to sell them on why a city is worth while or say hey we have 2 million people that are making bank and you don't have anything here to capture those dollars .. nba expansion ? how much easier is it to sell a team on a city with 625k vs 273 k...
Because they are smaller cities in the shadow of world class cities like New York and Philadelphia.
They don't draw people to them because there is a much better city 25 miles away. Pittsburgh and Newark are roughly the same size. Yet Pittsburgh has a lot more to offer because it serves as the principal city for an entire region.
prudential center is the 4th highest grossing venue in the county ... im pretty sure there not lacking for things to do on either side of the bay area
Okay I don't know anything about North Jersey so don't jump on me too harshly, but looking at the sheer urbanity of that part of the state, these are the three "boroughs" I can make out in the urban build:
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ahhh I ve been waiting for someone to mention that
the FIVE cities of north jersey
Newark, Elizabeth, Paterson, Hackensack jersey city
if eliz annexed union/hillside/ plainfield
if Hackensack annexed Maywood, Englewood (cliffs ), teaneck. ftlee, Paramus, south Hackensack, airport, river edge ( all small urban towns )
if Paterson annexed Clifton Passaic, Elmwood park, woodlawn park , fair lawn
Newark got the oranges Harrison, east Newark, Kearny, Irvington bloomfield, Belleville
jersey city takes north Hudson, bayonne Hoboken
you will have created a city of a few million ( bigger than dallas ) one of the top ten cities in the united states
if you consolidated the police dept and the school district and just things like dot ( how many cities take car of one and 9 and then buy equipment to take care of it )
its actually not a stretch at all most of these towns were set up to be annexed but mismanagement ( this is jersey) tanked that .
now heres the kicker ... being that we wouldn't need 60 police chiefs or 85 board of health buildings and employees ... we could LOWER PROPERTY TAXES for everyone from south Paterson to south orange ... we could demand fortune 500 companies to come to us ... we can have media networks that only cover jersey news instead of just making the trip where a horrific crime happened ... its time for jersey to stand on its own
Newark is gentrifying,as already pointed out.
Esp the downtown area and the new lofts near the Arena. Those lofts are beautiful.
Now on a personal level,I don't think Newark wants middle class people living in the city.
The funds would dry up if only middle class people moved there.
The lofts owned by Rpm management for instance....you have to be at a certain income or else you can't rent a loft. My income was way above the limit. So I'm still priced "out'.
At the same time,I don't make enough to live in the building 1180 either.
they do and don't ... they want the " working class to live IN THE CITY in the city instead of downtown to strengthen the neighborhoods while having people who still don't make a heap of money moving downtown so that the citys core doesn't change in feel overnight
Also no. The original Newark Township was quite large, but many parts of it split off early on. If Vailsburg hadn't been re-annexed, perhaps it would be better off than it is today.
anyone who knows about Newark knows that having a parkway separate you from downtown can do a lot to an area ... don't believe me check the Bronx ... need more proof check san fran or manhattan ( very few cross city highways and also very high property values)
which explains why weequahic had the issues it did ... if you are describing Newark township which was established in 1680something I doubt more than 5 American families lived in ( electric park , it wasn't valisburg until it got annexed despite what you may have been told)
Newark had a lot going for it for many years but that ended after the riots and the city outside the downtown has never really recovered. Can one feel safe when Newark has 100 murders and a city like NY with 8 million has 350? Newark's murder rate is still off the charts.
to be fair new York is one of the safest cities period. and Newark though not in the top 20 (hasn't been for a while) is a tad bit more on the rust belt size ...comparable cities are Pittsburgh Cleveland buffalo long beach Oakland Cincinnati, Milwaukee
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