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Alex we all disagree it's the content and anger of his posts that disturb me...very anti establishment
Kind of on line with something Timothy McVeigh might have said
i wouldnt say "anti establishment" so much as im an "establishment minimalist." i see myself as a true conservative and i am not interested in getting my way overnight. slow progress in the right direction is all i want. i may have more radical views but im not radical in my implementation.
btw i appreciate the tactic of likening me to a domestic terrorist.
i wouldnt say "anti establishment" so much as im an "establishment minimalist." i see myself as a true conservative and i am not interested in getting my way overnight. slow progress in the right direction is all i want. i may have more radical views but im not radical in my implementation.
btw i appreciate the tactic of likening me to a domestic terrorist.
See, this is a healthy, logical and well stated statement, obviously progress is possible within you and you will always have valid counter points from the rest of us and no one will label you a troll or compare you to T. McVeigh.
EB....it's falling on deaf ears.
The thread topic..well it was horrible but not murder and I'm sure this guy lives with this every single day.
You know most people, not all, but a good majority who rant on about cops is because they have a hard time obeying the law, no matter how minor.... they get caught, and now ALL cops are monsters........I take cop rantings with a grain of salt
After a bit more than a page I have to chime in.
It is not as simple as people would like to put it. Not all cops are bas, but maybe 1 in 10 are. The problem is, the other 9 don't bring him to terms with this. Hell, 5 of the 10 will actually passively support him.
Why?
It is kind of complicated, but think of it this way. First, they are co-workers. You don't start bad-mouthing your co-workers when faced with another company. If you say that your company has so many bad people, it looks bad on YOU too.
Second is related to the first. Respect and, to a lesser extent, fear. When cops do not have a cohesive nature, they lose respect from the community. They support each other from the start, and trust in their co-workers. If one of them says a guy was doing this or that, they are not there to question, but to help out their partner.
So this makes for solidarity in the force and more due respect given by others (if people believed that another officer coming into something was their chance to plead their case again, things would go very slowly).
While I am not in 100% agreement with this method of doing things, of garnering respect and compliance, I have to admit it works.
I guess the biggest problem I have is just that. I know they need it to make their jobs easier and more effective, but at the same time I can't STAND it when they treat it like a fraternity.
If a cop commits a crime against another, the one cop that comes out and says something should NOT be looked at as a turncoat. Camaraderie is one thing, but willing and knowing ignorance of a criminal act is bad enough. Attacking the few willing to DO THEIR JOB and bring criminals, no matter who they may be, to light is another.
The question would be this. How could you bring these guys to light WITHOUT people doing exactly what they are doing here? How can you expose the 10% of rot in the force without people casting their decay across the 90% that do not deserve it?
YES there are catholic priests that like little boys, but that sure as hell does not mean all of them are not worth trusting with your children. Not all of them have seasonal passes to Never-Never land....
See, this is a healthy, logical and well stated statement, obviously progress is possible within you and you will always have valid counter points from the rest of us and no one will label you a troll or compare you to T. McVeigh.
im sure i will be labeled that. i understand that i present my opinions in a very blunt manner. however, my general feeling is that if i attack someone's opinion and not the person that i deserve the same courtesy.
i offer opinions that i feel are in our country's best interests. i assume others do the same. my opinions are just better.
It is not as simple as people would like to put it. Not all cops are bas, but maybe 1 in 10 are. The problem is, the other 9 don't bring him to terms with this. Hell, 5 of the 10 will actually passively support him.
Why?
It is kind of complicated, but think of it this way. First, they are co-workers. You don't start bad-mouthing your co-workers when faced with another company. If you say that your company has so many bad people, it looks bad on YOU too.
Second is related to the first. Respect and, to a lesser extent, fear. When cops do not have a cohesive nature, they lose respect from the community. They support each other from the start, and trust in their co-workers. If one of them says a guy was doing this or that, they are not there to question, but to help out their partner.
So this makes for solidarity in the force and more due respect given by others (if people believed that another officer coming into something was their chance to plead their case again, things would go very slowly).
While I am not in 100% agreement with this method of doing things, of garnering respect and compliance, I have to admit it works.
I guess the biggest problem I have is just that. I know they need it to make their jobs easier and more effective, but at the same time I can't STAND it when they treat it like a fraternity.
If a cop commits a crime against another, the one cop that comes out and says something should NOT be looked at as a turncoat. Camaraderie is one thing, but willing and knowing ignorance of a criminal act is bad enough. Attacking the few willing to DO THEIR JOB and bring criminals, no matter who they may be, to light is another.
The question would be this. How could you bring these guys to light WITHOUT people doing exactly what they are doing here? How can you expose the 10% of rot in the force without people casting their decay across the 90% that do not deserve it?
YES there are catholic priests that like little boys, but that sure as hell does not mean all of them are not worth trusting with your children. Not all of them have seasonal passes to Never-Never land....
But that is exactly what many aren't getting...he was not Joe Blow out for the night speeding around..he was working...he was pursuing a car...
I do think though that pursuits and why they are being pursued needs to be readdressed...did they just kill someone or did they run a stop sign..
There have been cases of this in the past.
They have actually made it in some areas (I don't know if they are still like this) against the rules to persue a speeding vehicle.
Why? Because most vehicle persuits end up in damage and injury, and a high percentage of those injuries are on the innocent bystanders.
I do not agree with letting a criminal "get away", but you have to start measuring the worth of innocent life, or even just plain life (of the suspect) over the crime being persued. No matter how fast a speeder is going, is it worth pressuring him into risking his life to apprehend him? Is a bank robbery worth killing over?
The question gets tougher as the crime gets worse, but it is the same question. What's life worth to them? What's life worth to you?
i see plenty of people speeding (excessively) when im driving everyday. if cops want to pursue them safely just drive an unmarked vehicle and pull them over.
this isnt an issue in this case because the cop wasnt pursuing a speeder.
The only thing worse than a snitch is one who publicly announces that they are
Um, what?
A snitch is a term that applies to someone that is actually WITHIN a group that rats out another, usually for their own salvation or benefit. It does NOT apply to an outsider with contrary feelings observing another commiting a crime that can harm someone.
The only thing worse than being an idiot is being one and not knowing it.
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