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Old 02-23-2011, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Originally Posted by Wonderful Jellal View Post
Wal-Mart = low prices = good for consumers.
They must come in NYC, this city is wonderful but too expensive for middle-class workers
Read my earlier post about the unemployment Wal-Mart creates, then tell me again how wonderful they are.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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Wal-mart sucks money out of communities, and they do it more efficiently than anyone else. I personally don't like their practices or business model, but why villafy them as if they are the root of all evil? The same elected officials who are pandering to the unions to keep wal-mart out are the same elected officials who do whatever they can to keep wall street here. So we are to believe wall st is angelic? They have the right business model? Their greed is ok? Sucking the world dry and cheating the world of wealth is ok?

Don't be fooled, the unions have no beef with wall st, and wall st is a gravy train for NYC, wal-mart won't be extorted by the unions, so as a result, the unions press the policitians to ban them. It has NOTHING to do with Wal-Mart's policies, and everything to do with Unions wanting to extort them....as soon as Wal-Mart says "we will use Union labor and pay Union demands" the unions and politicians will roll out the red carpet. Regular NYers won't benefit, but Unions and politicians will be bought and paid for.

As a result, I have a real problem with blocking wal-mart from the NYC market.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: New York
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Default union bashing- the polemical du jour.

Extort? How about the importance of a living wage for workers? This isin't the first time in history that that a ruling class has continually lowered wages, horded wealth then increased usury to the point of bankrupting the entire society. Read up about the Medici's in 14th century Florence.


Their constant pressure on lowering the wages of workers lead to the downfall of their entire society. The economy needs people to have money to spend money. Usury has made up the gap with home equity and credit cards but those sources of funds are drying up. No longer can the rich- like wal-mart- lower wages and expect people to have the money to consume. The whole house of cards is poised to fall. The unions play a valid role in society as a check on the ruling the class. Individuals like workers have little power when divided, they have strength when united. The greed of the ruling class when unchecked is an all encompassing monster that will not stop until the whole society is torn down. Unions provide that check on the rich.


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Wal-mart sucks money out of communities, and they do it more efficiently than anyone else. I personally don't like their practices or business model, but why villafy them as if they are the root of all evil? The same elected officials who are pandering to the unions to keep wal-mart out are the same elected officials who do whatever they can to keep wall street here. So we are to believe wall st is angelic? They have the right business model? Their greed is ok? Sucking the world dry and cheating the world of wealth is ok?

Don't be fooled, the unions have no beef with wall st, and wall st is a gravy train for NYC, wal-mart won't be extorted by the unions, so as a result, the unions press the policitians to ban them. It has NOTHING to do with Wal-Mart's policies, and everything to do with Unions wanting to extort them....as soon as Wal-Mart says "we will use Union labor and pay Union demands" the unions and politicians will roll out the red carpet. Regular NYers won't benefit, but Unions and politicians will be bought and paid for.

As a result, I have a real problem with blocking wal-mart from the NYC market.

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Old 02-23-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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In areas such as East New York/South Bronx this may do some good however it shouldn't be implemented anywhere else in the city.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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Samyn we have a minimum wage which is the minimum level employers must pay. Why are we singling out Wal-Mart to pay some arbitrary "living wage" while everyone else can pay whatever they want? Why are we villafying Wal-Mart but allowing everyone else to not pay whatever "liveable wage" you are talking about? Otherwise they can't open in NYC? Target/BJs/Costco and other major retailers, along with every other business in NYC, do not have to meet the "livable wage" requirement that you are pushing..and yet here they are open and doing business...why is that? They answer: The agreed to union demands/extortion...and the living wage nonsense disappeared.

And that's the fundamental problem I have here. You want a livable wage for businesses, then ALL businesses should pay it, not the ones you feel should pay it. And the reason why wal-mart is denied access to the NYC market and other companies are not is ONLY because Unions cannot extort them. That's it...it's that simple..you either do what Unions say, or you cannot open. What kind of society is that? Freedom?

If you believe unions in NYC care about you or society, you are greatly mistaken. The construction union has already signed on and wants wal-mart to open...going against every other union. Why? Because Wal-mart agreed to their demands, which has NOTHING to do with you or me...they got "theirs" and that's all that matters so now the construction union is fighting the other unions. Funny how they flipped the script huh? Unions want to fatten their wallets and do what's in their best interes..that's it. And since it is not in the Unions best interest to have wal-mart open in NYC, regardless of what's in the best interest of NYers, they are spinning all sorts of rhetoric and lies to keep them out.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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I must admit I enjoyed the pics in this thread, very much. Thanks.
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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I love Wal-mart, I cant wait for it to come. yay !!! If Home Depot, Costco, Lowes, Taregt cam be here why not Wal-mart....


I am soooo looking forward to it coming here to Brooklyn !!!!!
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Please, no Walmarts.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Try taking pictures of the NY shoppers in Jimmy Jazz, Kmart, and C-Town...then talk to me about Wal-mart.
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Allright, put it on Coney Island then!
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