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Old 03-18-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: NYC
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I wanted to teach and follow in the footsteps of my mother and grandmother but after watching the profession devalued over time, I took another path. I still involve myself in independent educational activities because I want kids to learn.

Very sad about the kids. They really deserve better

Steve Nelson: Why Would Any Sane Person Want to Teach?

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Old 03-18-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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Talk to parents, teachers, administrators, students, etc. and you'll hear a different story from each.

Historically I would imagine this is the worst time ever to be starting a teaching career in NYC.
$45K for that kind of job which no longer has the amazing retirement benefits or ANY job security is the pits.

You'll now start to see people taking many jobs in teaching just because it is something they want to do for a while, which will result in transience among the profession, and likely worse results amongst the kids.

That may never be apparent in graduation rates, or what the mayor says about education- but it severely shows in college preparation reports.

The UFT might as well give its members their money back- nothing is doing with them.
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Old 03-18-2012, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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I disagree. This is certainly not the worst time to start teaching in NYC. Salaries for NYC teachers increased 43% since 2002. Teachers also receive good medical and retirement benefits (Teachers' Retirement System and the optional Tax-Deferred Annuity Program).
Teach NYC - New York City Department of Education
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Old 03-18-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Teacher Salaries have increased 0% since 2008.

Teacher's Choice (supply money) has been decreased 100% since 2010.

TRS Tier's 4(.5) and 6 are incredibly under the value of their brother Tiers 1-4.

Medical benefits are the same as all city employees.

Tenure rates dropped 35% in the last 4 years... think it's just a coincidence that one batch of teachers happened to be that much worse?
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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I disagree. This is certainly not the worst time to start teaching in NYC. Salaries for NYC teachers increased 43% since 2002. Teachers also receive good medical and retirement benefits (Teachers' Retirement System and the optional Tax-Deferred Annuity Program).
Teach NYC - New York City Department of Education
Then why do you think 50% of the teachers don't last 2 years ?

You only get retirement if you make it to 20 or 25 years.The overwhelming majority no longer do.

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Old 03-18-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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what other job will pay you that kind of money ,with those benefits and a pension and let you show up for work about 6-7 months out of a year.
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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what other job will pay you that kind of money ,with those benefits and a pension and let you show up for work about 6-7 months out of a year.
Well,evidently most people who try decide that it's not worth it, no matter how cushy you might think it is.That should tell you something.

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Old 03-18-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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what other job will pay you that kind of money ,with those benefits and a pension and let you show up for work about 6-7 months out of a year.
Professional Athlete.
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Old 03-18-2012, 08:02 PM
 
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Then why do you think 50% of the teachers don't last 2 years ?

You only get retirement if you make it to 20 or 25 years.The overwhelming majority no longer do.
Was 5 years to vest.
Now 10 years.
Will become 11 or 12 years with this Tier 6.

That's just to see SOMETHING from your retirement.
If you leave before that, you'll have lost anything put in at that time.

Again- this was at one point a lifelong career path- and now few will make it that. Rather a giant push to fill vacancies, remove them after 3-5 years and repeat.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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Teaching has beome a labor of love the past 20 years. These people were grossly under paid for years, & they have to deal with some real ****ty pupils.

Back in my time as a student you listened & respected a teacher. Now the kids & the parents are disrespectful to the teachers. It's a losing battle.

I have a cousin who changed her major from Advertising to teaching last year. Several of is tried to talk her out of it, she is pursuing it. Today she told me that the kids she student teaches told her flat out they don't have to listen to her & aren't afraid of her.

I'm terrified for her.
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