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None of my conservative friends have answered this question yet....lol....how much money are you personally losing to welfare programs? You sheep don't even know but you complain.
If you add in things like EIC, subsidized housing (both through tax credits, government bonding, and actual cash payments) and subsidized mass transit (all of which are welfare type entitlements in my opinion), around 5% of my income every year.
If you add in things like EIC, subsidized housing (both through tax credits, government bonding, and actual cash payments) and subsidized mass transit (all of which are welfare type entitlements in my opinion), around 5% of my income every year.
What category on your paystub indicates this? I want to hear dollar amounts. For example, I'm losing $248.45 out of every check because of welfare. Complaining about something and you don't even have a sure idea of how its directly affecting you.
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What category on your paystub indicates this? I want to hear dollar amounts. For example, I'm losing $248.45 out of every check because of welfare. Complaining about something and you don't even have a sure idea of how its directly affecting you.
Are you saying I'm not spaying for these items? That they grow on trees?
Bottom line, I'm paying taxes to subsidize stuff that I shouldn't be subsidizing.
Are you saying I'm not spaying for these items? That they grow on trees?
Bottom line, I'm paying taxes to subsidize stuff that I shouldn't be subsidizing.
No. I'm saying that you are upset about something that you don't even know how much you're affected by it fiscally. You don't even know how much it's hurting your pockets but you're mad.
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"The man who sleeps on the floor, can never fall out of bed." -Martin Lawrence
Are you saying I'm not spaying for these items? That they grow on trees?
Bottom line, I'm paying taxes to subsidize stuff that I shouldn't be subsidizing.
However, I believe the point under suggestion goes something like - the welfare folk may be a problem, but they are the least of your worries, as would be obvious if you were to consider the enormous benefits and outright cash awards given to the wealthiest. Both corporations and citizens. This point is beyond valid.
You are being misled by rhetoric. Such benefits are not identified as "welfare," or similarly connotated terminology, instead being branded (and carefully so) as "necessary" to our fiscal health and something to which the beneficiaries are absolutely entitled. Sort of an odd twist on ideas that once upheld things like "absolute rule" and "natural orders of things" and "human nature," broadly speaking.
I observe with great interest, and sometimes great dismay, as our culture circulates and consumes these ideas.
No. I'm saying that you are upset about something that you don't even know how much you're affected by it fiscally. You don't even know how much it's hurting your pockets but you're mad.
I am mad. I'm furious. I paid more in taxes last year than the average household income in this country. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind paying my share. But it irks me to no end when I see people bragging about using EIC for Disney trips, getting tattoos while collecting food stamps, living in subsidized housing because they don't want to commute an extra half an hour, or paying 25% of the actual cost of a public transit fare--especially when their fat arse could use the exercise to walk an extra 10 blocks.
However, I believe the point under suggestion goes something like - the welfare folk may be a problem, but they are the least of your worries, as would be obvious if you were to consider the enormous benefits and outright cash awards given to the wealthiest. Both corporations and citizens. This point is beyond valid.
You are being misled by rhetoric. Such benefits are not identified as "welfare," or similarly connotated terminology, instead being branded (and carefully so) as "necessary" to our fiscal health and something to which the beneficiaries are absolutely entitled. Sort of an odd twist on ideas that once upheld things like "absolute rule" and "natural orders of things" and "human nature," broadly speaking.
I observe with great interest, and sometimes great dismay, as our culture circulates and consumes these ideas.
Let me guess. You live in Section 8 housing, get food stamps, and got your education paid for with PELL grants. You could make ends meet without entitlements, but that would mean working a second job, and gee, as long as they're filling the hand you've got hanging out--why bother?
I wasn't born with a silver spoon, I worked my tail off to get what I have in life, and I'm tired of handing it over to people who are taking advantage of a really broken system.
Let me guess. You live in Section 8 housing, get food stamps, and got your education paid for with PELL grants. You could make ends meet without entitlements, but that would mean working a second job, and gee, as long as they're filling the hand you've got hanging out--why bother?
I wasn't born with a silver spoon, I worked my tail off to get what I have in life, and I'm tired of handing it over to people who are taking advantage of a really broken system.
Again I would ask, as I have before: Why does a view different from your own ALWAYS involve some sort of personal experience ?
"No" to all questions, for me, by the way. Not even close ... !
I'm sure you have worked hard - so many people have. It is therefore difficult to understand why the insistence on defending the very system that harbors your actual exploiter. I see this again and again, indeed, it is the typical conservative situation.
I do have an actual, quite far left perspective, which means that I expect EVERYONE to make their best contribution. I see far too many who make none, at both ends of the spectrum. So I am certainly not sold on welfare benefits as they are currently functioning - failing to help those with legitimate need while also failing to catch abuses.
Again I would ask, as I have before: Why does a view different from your own ALWAYS involve some sort of personal experience ?
"No" to all questions, for me, by the way. Not even close ... !
I'm sure you have worked hard - so many people have. It is therefore difficult to understand why the insistence on defending the very system that harbors your actual exploiter. I see this again and again, indeed, it is the typical conservative situation.
I do have an actual, quite far left perspective, which means that I expect EVERYONE to make their best contribution. I see far too many who make none, at both ends of the spectrum. So I am certainly not sold on welfare benefits as they are currently functioning - failing to help those with legitimate need while also failing to catch abuses.
I'm not defending the system--I said it was broken. I'm for a flat tax, strict limits on entitlement programs to only provide for those who TRULY can't take care of themselves by virtue of severe physical disability or mental defect. People with obesity or ADD as their "excuse" need to get off their butts and find a damn job, and we need to temporarily sterilize anyone currently receiving entitlement benefits of ANY sort--including EIC.
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