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Old 09-01-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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Old 09-01-2014, 08:27 AM
 
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“The bosses told us not to do anything ‘proactive,’ ” a Staten Island cop said, adding that he and other officers were ordered not to make arrests or even hand out summonses unless absolutely necessary."

This should be their default position.
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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You know what I'm just noticing....back in the day the cops wouldn't even bother to give you a BS summons for drinking or smoking on the street because they had so much other murders going on. Back then they would just tell you to pour it out or put it out. Now since murders have gone down so much since the 1980s, they have to focus their attention on the petty things. Not saying that they shouldn't address these current matters, but just an observation.
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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Yeah because the 120th precinct is full of bullies. Their narcotics unit is filled with bad cops. Its the most problematic precinct in the city. Bratton should clean house, but he won't.
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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When the police make fewer arrests in this neighborhood, that’s a problem,” DeJesus said. “The decision to go easy on these people is going to come back and bite the cops in the ass.

Me thinks it's not the cops who will be bitten on the arse...
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:09 AM
 
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“not to do anything ‘proactive,’" ... should be their default position.
Reactive policies began in the aftermath of the Knapp Commission, and continued to fail through the '80s, until crime rates rose so high that a change had to occur. Proactive policies returned and the crackdown began. Now that major crime has been greatly reduced, those effective proactive policies are currently seen as the problem.
"cops have been rarely getting out of their cars when they drive by"
The "smile & wave" school of police work in full effect!
"two guys started fighting when their bikes smacked into each other in Tompkinsville Park — right across from where Garner died. The man who took most of the punches eventually found three cops up the street who took down his story and information."
Perhaps their parting words to the victim were, "Sorry to hear about this, sir. We'd like to call an ambulance, but they're currently not responding to this intersection. When you determine the name and address of the perpetrator, please stop by the station house and ask for a detective. Perhaps the DA's office will mail a summons to the assailant, and he will come to court, plead guilty, pay a fine and apologize to you, for your ordeal. By the way, have you registered your bicycle? You know it will probably get stolen, next time."
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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You know what I'm just noticing....back in the day the cops wouldn't even bother to give you a BS summons for drinking or smoking on the street because they had so much other murders going on. Back then they would just tell you to pour it out or put it out. Now since murders have gone down so much since the 1980s, they have to focus their attention on the petty things. Not saying that they shouldn't address these current matters, but just an observation.
You're absolutely right, but cops didn't have "quotas" back then either.

The quota system is what's messing up the police department, because you have to nitpick for bullcrap things like "jaywalking" if need be.

Bratton has to undo close to twenty years of this nonsense. When he said NYPD would have to go through "re-training", he wasn't just referring to chokeholds. He meant everything.

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Old 09-01-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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Yeah because the 120th precinct is full of bullies. Their narcotics unit is filled with bad cops. Its the most problematic precinct in the city. Bratton should clean house, but he won't.
No, he will. Trust.

He knows what "problems" he's dealing with in all of his precincts and he will deal with all of them quietly.

You'll see.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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You know what I'm just noticing....back in the day the cops wouldn't even bother to give you a BS summons for drinking or smoking on the street because they had so much other murders going on. Back then they would just tell you to pour it out or put it out. Now since murders have gone down so much since the 1980s, they have to focus their attention on the petty things. Not saying that they shouldn't address these current matters, but just an observation.
+1

When I was 13 years old I had a cop in spanish harlem stuff a nickel bag of weed BACK INTO MY POCKET when I admitted my guilt. " Get out of here " were the only orders to obey.

Smoking on the street ? No big deal just cup it and give the cop the resect of not doing it in his face.

Key word RESPECT. If you are going to get people for every LITTLE thing don't expect any respect back.

It's a two way street. Eventually this city will blow. The Nazis eventually crumbled.

Man I miss that era !
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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If officers aren't going to do their jobs and enforce the law, they need to be fired. We don't pay them to only address the "absolutely necessary." Eric Garner's death was already ruled a homicide by choke-hold by the medical examiner. While I'm not convinced the police officer did anything illegal and applaud them for trying to arrest a known criminal--though the officer clearly violated departmental policy but that's another conversation--what is going on in the aftermath is a part of the process. The Mayor's/DA's offices owe a duty to law enforcement officers risking their lives daily. That's true. But this is no less of a duty that they have and owe to all of the rest of us. Law enforcement serves the community and are ultimately answerable to the community, not the other way around. But seriously, it's not like police officers are being thrown in jail for doing their jobs. If anything, some feel that, as a matter of law, law enforcement officers have been protected too much by judicial system.
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