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Old 04-05-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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I've been thinking a lot of these rash of fights lately and this needs to be said. Like it or not, you are black. In America, we are not judged not as individuals but as a whole. Whenever you are out in public, you are essentially representing your people whether you choose too or not. Jesse Owens wasn't just representing America in he Olympics, he was representing blacks as a whole and crushed that whole Aryan master race bs that Adolf Hitler was spouting when it pertained to athleticism and race. This isn't true for whites but damn sure true for everyone who isn't. That was how I was taught growing up. The last you want to do is confirm what racist think of you. This is how people justify their racial bigotry towards black americans and they don't know that because this prevailing notion that America is post racial. "I don't see race." I say bull****. And what do you know, some idiot in the video yelled "worldstar". So when you get into fights, brawls, and other foolishness, not only are you making yourselves look bad, you are making the lives of other black men and women much more difficult. As if being black isn't difficult enough. I'm not saying that is how we should live but that is how the world works. Until racism is eliminated, put on your best face forward.

Blacks do not have the privilege the way whites have to go out and act like fools and be judged individually.
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Old 04-05-2015, 08:58 PM
 
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I haven't really checked that section out but if its worse than this NYC forum I can only imagine. But its all G, their race-hate is more a poor, ignorant reflection on themselves than it is on the people they think they're belittling.
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Save yourself the trouble, it's ridiculous over there. Every crime where the perpetrator is Black there's hate and the usual all Blacks are like this crap in there.
Yes, and instead of addressing corrupt politicians, their cronies and corporate machines that suck thier money dry, they spend thier time bashing ghetto youth, single mothers, welfare and section 8 recipients, and petty street crooks who they most likely don't associate with anyway.
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Old 04-05-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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I've been thinking a lot of these rash of fights lately and this needs to be said. Like it or not, you are black. In America, we are not judged not as individuals but as a whole. Whenever you are out in public, you are essentially representing your people whether you choose too or not. Jesse Owens wasn't just representing America in he Olympics, he was representing blacks as a whole and crushed that whole Aryan master race bs that Adolf Hitler was spouting when it pertained to athleticism and race. This isn't true for whites but damn sure true for everyone who isn't. That was how I was taught growing up. The last you want to do is confirm what racist think of you. This is how people justify their racial bigotry towards black americans and they don't know that because this prevailing notion that America is post racial. "I don't see race." I say bull****. And what do you know, some idiot in the video yelled "worldstar". So when you get into fights, brawls, and other foolishness, not only are you making yourselves look bad, you are making the lives of other black men and women much more difficult. As if being black isn't difficult enough. I'm not saying that is how we should live but that is how the world works. Until racism is eliminated, put on your best face forward.

Blacks do not have the privilege the way whites have to go out and act like fools and be judged individually.
I gave reps. A very telling post about the current state of affairs. Shots fired.
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Old 04-05-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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Are you sure about that? Do you know anyone that does this type of gambling sport on ESPN? Please enlighten for us.
Yes, just follow twoplustwo.com It is the premier online forum for poker. I use to play poker to make money in college. I first read supersystem by doyle brunson to learn the game. Once I graduated I stopped playing and followed through online forum.


Poker player wins but doesn't want to talk to media (ESPN). Outlines his reasoning below.

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I really don’t owe anyone an explanation but I’ll give one.

First off, I don’t owe poker a single thing. I’ve been fortunate enough to benefit financially from this game, but I have played it long enough to see the ugly side of this world. It is not a game where the pros are always happy and living a fulfilling life. To have a job where you are at the mercy of variance can be insanely stressful and can lead to a lot of unhealthy habits. I would never in a million years recommend for someone to try and make it as a poker pro.

It is also not a game where the amateurs are always happy to be losing their money for the sake of entertainment. The losers lose way more money at this game than winners are winning. A lot of this is money they can’t afford to lose. This is fine of course because if someone is dumb enough to gamble with money they cant afford to lose, that’s their problem. I’m not really buying that though. In a perfect world, markets are based on informed consumers making rational transactions. In reality, sadly, that’s not the case. Markets are based on advertising trying to play on peoples impulses and targeting their weaknesses in order for them to make irrational decisions. I get it if someone wants to go and play poker on their own free will, but I don’t agree with gambling being advertised just like I don’t agree with cigarettes and alcohol being advertised.

It bothers me that people care so much about poker’s well-being. As poker is a game that has such a net negative effect on the people playing it. Both financially and emotionally.

As for promoting myself, I feel that individual achievements should rarely be celebrated. I am not going to take part in it for others and I wouldn’t want it for myself. If you wonder why our society is so infatuated by individuals and their success, and being a baller, it is not that way for no reason. It is there because it serves a clear purpose. If you get people to look up to someone and adhere to the “gain wealth, forget all but self†motto, then you can get them to ignore the social contract which is very good for power systems. Also it serves as a means of distraction to get people to not pay attention to the things that do matter.

These are just my personal views. And yes, I realize I am conflicted. I capitalize off this game that targets peoples weaknesses. I do enjoy it, I love the strategy part of it, but I do see it as a very dark game.
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His reasons are a little convoluted and I don't entirely agree with them but they basically go like this: He has been in poker for a long time, maybe 7-8 years. In that time, he has seen up close man of the sad and tragic stories that many of us in poker have been exposed to. Whether it's people who are unable to control themselves and end up in debt, addiction and depression or kids who have forgone educational and real life opportunities only to have Black Friday and the overall poker competitiveness change to such an extent as to mostly take away their income potential and end up broke, directionless and skill-less in the general marketplace. He sees poker as a game that has a low financial ceiling (reward) enormous personal risk (both financial and emotional) and very little societal value. He feels that most TV depictions of poker are deceptive because they ignore these realities and focus on the disproportionate and unrepresentative very few lucky people in poker. He doesn't want to promote poker because of that.
Link: Daniel Colman's attitude about/reaction to winning the One Drop - Poker News - News, Views and Gossip

You can read barry greenstein book. He outlines his career in high stake gambling and the dark side of it.
http://www.gamblingsystem.biz/books/..._The_River.pdf
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:16 PM
 
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I've been thinking a lot of these rash of fights lately and this needs to be said. Like it or not, you are black. In America, we are not judged not as individuals but as a whole. Whenever you are out in public, you are essentially representing your people whether you choose too or not. Jesse Owens wasn't just representing America in he Olympics, he was representing blacks as a whole and crushed that whole Aryan master race bs that Adolf Hitler was spouting when it pertained to athleticism and race. This isn't true for whites but damn sure true for everyone who isn't. That was how I was taught growing up. The last you want to do is confirm what racist think of you. This is how people justify their racial bigotry towards black americans and they don't know that because this prevailing notion that America is post racial. "I don't see race." I say bull****. And what do you know, some idiot in the video yelled "worldstar". So when you get into fights, brawls, and other foolishness, not only are you making yourselves look bad, you are making the lives of other black men and women much more difficult. As if being black isn't difficult enough. I'm not saying that is how we should live but that is how the world works. Until racism is eliminated, put on your best face forward.

Blacks do not have the privilege the way whites have to go out and act like fools and be judged individually.
Reminds me of what a black male told me at work one day. He said he's mindful of how he sits down in a chair at a meeting because if he so much as flops down, others may judge him as being lazy or uncouth whereas if a non-black person did the same others would perceive him as being just tired or preoccupied.

Don't know if there's any validity in that but it did cause me to think and wonder how much we buy into stereotypes without even realizing it. And how that affects our judgments towards people.

It also reminds me of something I saw on Oprah way back when. They had a white male approach several strangers asking for the time and people immediately answered him. Then they had a black male do the same (same clothes and spoke in the same manner) and about 10 people ignored him or shied away from him until eventually someone told him the time.
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:17 PM
 
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As someone doesn't consider themselves as white or black. I always found there is a strange love affair between blacks and white especially the old generation (baby boomer). Every time the topic of race comes up, there always an extremist from both sides who have polar opposite views. I almost feel like they need each other in this changing world as that is the only way they can stay relevant (yin and yang).
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:25 PM
 
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Are you sure about that? Do you know anyone that does this type of gambling sport on ESPN? Please enlighten for us.




I don't think its a class thing. Have you ever visited a Casino before? I have been to Casinos in Vegas, AC, New Orleans and even in our great state of NY. You'd be surprise who goes to gamble there. I can assure you that poor people do not have enough money to gamble and if anything probably gamble on the streets. The biggest gamblers are those with addictions or some sort of mental depression regardless of class or a race. Crap I blew most of my gambling money on hot strippers and shooting guns. Another thing about gambling is money culture. Liberals with money like San Francisco, Boston, NY types wont be at casinos gambling. The very liberals that you adore and support gentrification and inequality would never put a penny in a casino and probably put their money or mouth in a stock option or property. But money type people who come from sunbelt regions like a Texan oil tycoon, or lets say a movie producer from LA, or an Scottsdale golf course owner in Arizona would probably be more at an casino than liberal money types of the north. If anything an wealthy liberal from NY or San Fran will probably go to a casino once in a blue, mainly to chill or party but not to gamble.



Monte Carlo is for the rich and wealthy. Same could also be said for Macau which is a Chinese territory but used to be a Portuguese colony. People as far as the Middle East, to India and Japan come to Macau to gamble. I don't think poor people can afford those places. Even the best casinos in Vegas do not have poor people gambling in them and are filled with money type people.
Oh but yes they are POOR people. When I saw poor person I don't mean a homeless person or a person on food stamps.

The people who develop gambling addictions are not people with fantastic career options or choices in life. By and large it is a working class thing, where people have somewhat rigid lives and where it's much harder to change directions. I can't see a Mark Zuckerberg or a Tim Cook spending significant time at a casino. Nor can I see a professor or a doctor.

I think the gamblers at casinos tend to be less educated, less well off, and others have said they are also often older.

People who have legitimate ways of making more money than the currently have no reason to resort to obsessive gambling.

Are Too Many Seniors Gambling Their Lives Away? - DailyFinance

According to this old people disproportionately go gamble. Old people on fixed incomes. At this point, their career options are exhaused, they are lonely with few other outlets, and so they dream of an easy hit of money.

The largest numbers of gamblers come from poorest segment of population, says Florida Family Policy Council | PolitiFact Florida

"Research from the casino industry. Not surprisingly, those involved in the casino industry found that the bulk of their visitors are middle or upper-class. American Gaming Association's 2011 State of the States survey of casino entertainment states that compared to the general population, casino visitors are less likely to have a household income of less than $35,000 and more likely to have incomes between $35,000 and $100,000. "The demographic profile of casino visitors is similar to that of the general U.S. population. While men are more likely to have visited a casino than women, and the average casino visitor is slightly older, the breakdown by income and level of education mirrors that of the general population."

The largest numbers of gamblers come from poorest segment of population, says Florida Family Policy Council | PolitiFact Florida

The above article says the AGA has said gamblers tend to make between 35k-100k. In no state in the country is that the wealthiest sector of the population. Many of these people like to call themselves middle class (because they hate poor people) but let's face it a lot of people who call themselves middle class are working poor. Maybe, just maybe if people with jobs could have admitted that they were poor, more working people could get better working conditions and pay.

A person making 80k a year if they have obligations like college tuition, mortgages, auto notes, plus other bills is going to be rather POOR when all is said and done, especially if the person wasn't good at savings or investment (or unless the person inherited property or got a good deal on buying a house awhile ago). A lot of times people like this are under extreme financial stress and they dream of a bit hit. So they gamble. This is the type of gambling that the AGA makes money off of. They are not making money off millionaires and billionaires.
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:26 PM
 
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Reminds me of what a black male told me at work one day. He said he's mindful of how he sits down in a chair at a meeting because if he so much as flops down, others may judge him as being lazy or uncouth whereas if a non-black person did the same others would perceive him as being just tired or preoccupied.

Don't know if there's any validity in that but it did cause me to think and wonder how much we buy into stereotypes without even realizing it. And how that affects our judgments towards people.

It also reminds me of something I saw on Oprah way back when. They had a white male approach several strangers asking for the time and people immediately answered him. Then they had a black male do the same (same clothes and spoke in the same manner) and about 10 people ignored him or shied away from him until eventually someone told him the time.
I also think Blacks who think like that are stupid. It's not my job to make whites like me or think well of me all the time, nor is it my job to magically transform the PR image of the Black race.

I think people should be themselves, and let things fall where they may.
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:36 PM
 
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I also think Blacks who think like that are stupid. It's not my job to make whites like me or think well of me all the time, nor is it my job to magically transform the PR image of the Black race.

I think people should be themselves, and let things fall where they may.

I am in agreement 100%.

Reps to this.
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:39 PM
 
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I also think Blacks who think like that are stupid. It's not my job to make whites like me or think well of me all the time, nor is it my job to magically transform the PR image of the Black race.

I think people should be themselves, and let things fall where they may.
But there are consequences. In the workplace, it may lead you to get passed over a promotion or being the first to go off if there's a round of layoffs. And it's not as simple a matter as making "white people like you" because blacks also fall into that way of thinking & prejudging someone based on stereotypes.

I don't know. I think there has to be a balance. Being yourself is all good and cool but it doesn't hurt to be mindful & aware of not doing something that will result in a misunderstanding and having it backfire on you.
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