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Miss J 74. Has friends in Bethlehem, drive by shootings.. Bethlehem is an hour and a half from Milford.
70 miles away. Milford is a tame, lovely, historical town. Snow anyone? Yes of course wev'e got that too.
We have lots of wildlife too. Here's a cutie we call Loafy the bear who lazily sleeps in the grass near the stream at the end of our property. Don't freak out ... they mind their business and shy away if they see people.
Yeah I have friends in Bethlehem.
The friends who stated there was drive by shootings live in....wait for it....the Poconos.
I also noticed you didn't argue any of the points I made.
monroe county is pretty bad as an area both crime and tax wise . that was the old targeted area for the why rent when you can own pocono ad campaign the newspapers use to run . pike and waynne are far better but farther
Exactly!
Recall those adverts on television and in the newspapers. Funny how they always showed "white" families (no offence met) but that was not who largely ended up moving to at least Monroe County.
You had plenty of quite frankly middle to lower middle class (if barely) to even below Hispanic/Latinos and African Americans moving from parts of Brooklyn, Queens, and areas of Manhattan thinking they were going to get their "piece of the pie". They soon found out differently.
For most it was a struggle paying taxes and the mortgage along with other housing costs. Large portions of homes were sold to people who really shouldn't have qualified for a mortgage anyway were it not for no to low money down and adjustable schemes both of which backfired when the economy tanked (hence the foreclosure crisis). Their incomes weren't enough to keep up even in good times and when things hit the fan it only got worse.
Next few if any of these people sat down and really thought out *WHERE* the Poconos/Monroe County is in relation to NYC. They believed all that nonsense about an "easy commute" by bus or car totally ignoring even in good traffic driving takes three to four hours each way. If the weather is bad, there is an accident or whatever on the NJT/GSP count on sitting for hours before you even get near the Lincoln or Holland tunnel. Once you get into the City unless you work right near either of those Hudson River crossings you still have to get to your job. Eight hours later the whole thing is in reverse.
Sadly you can take some people and or their children out of the hood but you cannot take the hood out of some people and or their children. Many of the social ills these people claim to have been fleeing in say parts of Brooklyn or even Newark followed them right into the Poconos. More often than not via their own children and or family members. This problem again was made worse because usually both parents were away for really twelve hours each workday in NYC. You basically had an extreme version of latch-key kids. Financials being what they were these parents couldn't afford to have lose one income by someone quitting work. Even worse off still were the single mothers who moved out there.
If you look at all the vans/SUVs that come into NYC carrying Mexican/Latino/Hispanic construction workers, cleaners, floor buffers/waxing services and so forth, even "dumpster divers" who collect bottles/rubbish/recycling a good number have PA license plates. Many come from Monroe county where you have large numbers of "families" doubled, tripled or whatever up in that "large" home.
Recall those adverts on television and in the newspapers. Funny how they always showed "white" families (no offence met) but that was not who largely ended up moving to at least Monroe County.
You had plenty of quite frankly middle to lower middle class (if barely) to even below Hispanic/Latinos and African Americans moving from parts of Brooklyn, Queens, and areas of Manhattan thinking they were going to get their "piece of the pie". They soon found out differently.
For most it was a struggle paying taxes and the mortgage along with other housing costs. Large portions of homes were sold to people who really shouldn't have qualified for a mortgage anyway were it not for no to low money down and adjustable schemes both of which backfired when the economy tanked (hence the foreclosure crisis). Their incomes weren't enough to keep up even in good times and when things hit the fan it only got worse.
Next few if any of these people sat down and really thought out *WHERE* the Poconos/Monroe County is in relation to NYC. They believed all that nonsense about an "easy commute" by bus or car totally ignoring even in good traffic driving takes three to four hours each way. If the weather is bad, there is an accident or whatever on the NJT/GSP count on sitting for hours before you even get near the Lincoln or Holland tunnel. Once you get into the City unless you work right near either of those Hudson River crossings you still have to get to your job. Eight hours later the whole thing is in reverse.
Sadly you can take some people and or their children out of the hood but you cannot take the hood out of some people and or their children. Many of the social ills these people claim to have been fleeing in say parts of Brooklyn or even Newark followed them right into the Poconos. More often than not via their own children and or family members. This problem again was made worse because usually both parents were away for really twelve hours each workday in NYC. You basically had an extreme version of latch-key kids. Financials being what they were these parents couldn't afford to have lose one income by someone quitting work. Even worse off still were the single mothers who moved out there.
If you look at all the vans/SUVs that come into NYC carrying Mexican/Latino/Hispanic construction workers, cleaners, floor buffers/waxing services and so forth, even "dumpster divers" who collect bottles/rubbish/recycling a good number have PA license plates. Many come from Monroe county where you have large numbers of "families" doubled, tripled or whatever up in that "large" home.
Couldn't rep you again, but yup. It's kind of what I wanted to say, but I try to be good on here. The friends that told me about it are Hispanic, and said it's no joke out there. That some parts of the Poconos they won't even go to at night because it gets so bad.
Are there nice parts? Sure. But I'm not spending more money and more time just to be somewhere quiet. I can get that in many places along the Metro North, LIRR or NJ transit lines as well.
Bad idea on Easton and Bethlehem. Have you ever driven on I-78? There are so many tractor trailers and frazzled drivers. There are accidents on that stretch left and right. One accident I passed just this morning was so bad that there was a tower of smoke, the car literally exploded on impact with the driver being trapped inside. I couldn't imagine doing that commute on a daily basis, especially in winter!
Peeps keep moving out to PA because they drink that Kool-Aid about train service from NYC though NJ to PA; aka the Lackawanna Cutoff. Well they have been saying that for decades, almost since the thing was shut down and RS persons have made fortunes... *LOL*
Even now while NJT is working on reactivating that state's side of things PA is another matter.
anyone who wants to do that drive daily is nuts . it was 2 hours door to door to our house if there was no traffic , we were off i-84 . that drive every other weekend was enough , i couldn't imagine doing it a few times a week .
we found we could make do there with about 1/3 less income but pay was less than 1/2 .
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The school taxes are insane, and they keep going up. I pay $7k a year on a property worth 90k, and this isn't even including property taxes.
It's an ok place if you are an outdoorsman and enjoy fly fishing, hunting, skiing, home maintenance (cutting the grass, shoveling the driveway etc..).
Food options are very limited and nearly every restaurant is terrible.
There is no job economy at all. You will still have to commute to 4.5 hours a day to the city for work.
A large majority of the population are heroin addicts. Bloods and crips or other makeshift gangs battle it out in PCP.
The cost of living used to be really inexpensive about 15 years ago, but now it is adjusted for all of the transplants and weekend home owners so everything from food, gas, heating oil, construction services, car services etc are the same price as NYC. Most areas of NJ are cheaper.
It's just hard to justify the area because it is a depressed region with a very high cost of living, despite
all those foreclosed 3 bedrooms houses you see for sale for $80K.
Basically it's a trap. And all the realtors are liars as well.
the problem with the hunting and fishing is the permits . if this is a vacation home you can only get out of state resident permits unless you have pa drivers licences which would be insurance fraud IF NOT YOU PRIMARY .
those non resident permits were a few hundred bucks a year for my wife and i
we sold the house 3-1/2 years ago . the house is up for sale again for 50k
less then they paid us
Ouch, pity those people.
I guess when the jobs go poof, house prices must fall.
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There is no job economy at all. You will still have to commute to 4.5 hours a
day to the city for work.
A large majority of the population are heroin
addicts. Bloods and crips or other makeshift gangs battle it out in PCP.
Sounds like Allentown, which I seriously considered for retirement but ultimately rejected and sold the 125 year old brick row-house for peanuts.
Mathjac, were you able to recover your purchase price when you sold?
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