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Old 08-14-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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I don't understand why you can't be proud to be American or to be living here but can't also celebrate your cultural background. What is the big issue? When certain groups do it it's great when the brown folks do it, it's a problem...
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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18th and 19th century was the time when germans and dutch immigrated in large numbers, similar to the behavior of latinos today. That is why their practices then are relevant.
You must be much older.There was also a large wave of German immigrants entering the US during the first half of the 20th century. That is the group I'm referring too. Their descendants no longer speak a lick of German, so I suspect in 50 years from now that Spanish will be extinct from being heard on the sidewalks of NYC. Although you'll hear teachers and students speaking in Spanish in non-ESL classrooms, which I highly doubt was ever the case for the German immigrant.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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I don't understand why you can't be proud to be American or to be living here but can't also celebrate your cultural background. What is the big issue? When certain groups do it it's great when the brown folks do it, it's a problem...
People typically do not like parades whether it is black, brown or white. They see them as an inconvenience, and too overcrowded, and too loud. These people probably shouldn't live in Manhattan then.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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These parades are mostly on weekends and in heavily commercial downtown areas. People complaining are either bigots and/or whiny and need to get over it.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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You must be much older.There was also a large wave of German immigrants entering the US during the first half of the 20th century. That is the group I'm referring too. Their descendants no longer speak a lick of German, so I suspect in 50 years from now that Spanish will be extinct from being heard on the sidewalks of NYC. Although you'll hear teachers and students speaking in Spanish in non-ESL classrooms, which I highly doubt was ever the case for the German immigrant.
Who told you that german immigrants in the early 20th century renounced their mother language, or did not teach their kids to speak german at home? See the link above, 20th century dutch immigrants did it. And mennonites continue to speak in german dialect today. There are many latinos who are still first and second gen, but someday they will become like marco and ted. They deserve the same flexibility that was given to germans, dutch, lebanese, and English for that matter.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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Anecdotal yes but it's been my observation most Latinos in nyc start losing Spanish by second generation. Third/4th gen it's pretty rare to find fluent Spanish speakers.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:43 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Anecdotal yes but it's been my observation most Latinos in nyc start losing Spanish by second generation. Third/4th gen it's pretty rare to find fluent Spanish speakers.
Oh I dunno about that. Dominicans do anything and everything to speak *Spanish* (and poorly at that). Won't even call it *Spanglish* since it's not that either. ¿Cómo tú 'tas loko? *LOL* Am here to tell you have never seen a language butchered so much by one group. Love the people, but you folks destroy the language like never before. Cut this, change that, and speak a mile a minute and then write the language the same way they speak it, with *horrible* grammar.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Oh I dunno about that. Dominicans do anything and everything to speak *Spanish* (and poorly at that). Won't even call it *Spanglish* since it's not that either. ¿Cómo tú 'tas loko? *LOL* Am here to tell you have never seen a language butchered so much by one group. Love the people, but you folks destroy the language like never before. Cut this, change that, and speak a mile a minute and then write the language the same way they speak it, with *horrible* grammar.
Well there isn't one universal way of speaking Spanish. In general people in coastal areas throughout Latin America speak "chopped-up" Spanish. Of course this varies depending on situation and setting too...
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Who told you that german immigrants in the early 20th century renounced their mother language, or did not teach their kids to speak german at home? See the link above, 20th century dutch immigrants did it. And mennonites continue to speak in german dialect today. There are many latinos who are still first and second gen, but someday they will become like marco and ted. They deserve the same flexibility that was given to germans, dutch, lebanese, and English for that matter.
I grew up in Glendale. The older foreign born German immigrants spoke German in public, but their offspring never would. Could say the same for Italians. Aside from Puerto Ricans, Hispanics tend to hold onto their mother tongue a bit longer. I too, do think it will eventually wear away. Asians, aside from Filipinos, try talking to their kids in their mother tongue, but for some reason the kids always rather respond back in English.
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