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You both hand wave the technical side as it doesn't require any form of education and learning curve. There is no free lunch, you spend countless free hours learning and self teaching yourself the information needed to get a high paying job. In addition, there is multiple rounds of rigorous technical interviews to land a job.
No what we are doing is correcting a misconception about the types of roles and and experience are required to fill them. I’m very familiar with the industry becase I work in it. First at a digital ad agency (doing SEM/SEO) then at a digital research and analytics company (doing sales development and account management) then at a tag management company (doing new business development), then at a data management platform (doing new business development) and now back to another digital research and analytics company (doing client management and account development). Along the way I’ve interviewed at many well known companies like LinkedIn, Salesforce, and MSN. Yes, you have rounds of interviews, usually 3-5 and will often be flown out to the HQ, if not in nyc, for any final round interviews as I was for 2 roles (and I wasn’t even offered those jobs!)
My point is that though I’m educated with a degree, my educational background is not in IT technology. However my experience in the industry is what counts and the industry is much wider than just working at Facebook or Google or coding an app or website. That’s what I’m aiming to explain. Any of my former colleagues and clients have the appropriate background to work for Amazon- and none of them are on the “technical side”.
You both hand wave the technical side as it doesn't require any form of education and learning curve. There is no free lunch, you spend countless free hours learning and self teaching yourself the information needed to get a high paying job. In addition, there is multiple rounds of rigorous technical interviews to land a job.
I'm am merely pointing out that not all jobs are coding jobs. And then I pointed out the type of jobs that aren't really IT degree jobs. Sure you can go to school for this stuff, but in my experience, it doesn't make them better at their jobs. Most of the developers I work with are Drupal developers, and some WordPress. None of them went to school for that.
No what we are doing is correcting a misconception about the types of roles and and experience are required to fill them. I’m very familiar with the industry becase I work in it. First at a digital ad agency (doing SEM/SEO) then at a digital research and analytics company (doing sales development and account management) then at a tag management company (doing new business development), then at a data management platform (doing new business development) and now back to another digital research and analytics company (doing client management and account development). Along the way I’ve interviewed at many well known companies like LinkedIn, Salesforce, and MSN. Yes, you have rounds of interviews, usually 3-5 and will often be flown out to the HQ, if not in nyc, for any final round interviews as I was for 2 roles (and I wasn’t even offered those jobs!)
My point is that though I’m educated with a degree, my educational background is not in IT technology. However my experience in the industry is what counts and the industry is much wider than just working at Facebook or Google or coding an app or website. That’s what I’m aiming to explain. Any of my former colleagues and clients have the appropriate background to work for Amazon- and none of them are on the “technical side”.
Yup! I tried to explain the same. Another thing that is underestimated is troubleshooting ability. People can ace technical interviews and even code well, but they can't think. So they make terrible design, gui, interface decisions because they don't have that real world sense. One has trouble QAing their own stuff because they don't see the inherient flaws on what they built. But my biggest pet peeve, is the lack of ability to troubleshoot. I think, across the board, what makes a good techie is the ability to do that. So many people don't have the first idea how to go about how to fix something when something goes wrong. A lot of that is seasoning over time and lots of experience.
The crux of the critique about "hand-waving" is a total lack of understanding how big the tech world is. It's not just programmers, db administrators and network administrators. There are 500 other titles within the world, with different levels of formal techie backgrounds.
Yup! I tried to explain the same. Another thing that is underestimated is troubleshooting ability. People can ace technical interviews and even code well, but they can't think. So they make terrible design, gui, interface decisions because they don't have that real world sense. One has trouble QAing their own stuff because they don't see the inherient flaws on what they built. But my biggest pet peeve, is the lack of ability to troubleshoot. I think, across the board, what makes a good techie is the ability to do that. So many people don't have the first idea how to go about how to fix something when something goes wrong. A lot of that is seasoning over time and lots of experience.
The crux of the critique about "hand-waving" is a total lack of understanding how big the tech world is. It's not just programmers, db administrators and network administrators. There are 500 other titles within the world, with different levels of formal techie backgrounds.
As a technical writer tasked with creating Help systems for users to navigate these programs, AMEN!!
According to USA today. Newark lacks creative talent pool. Also Newark population lacks 4 year college degree which is lower than the National average. I think Newark would have been a good pick. As for crystal city Virginia. I visit there two years ago. The area is very yuppie and full of transplants from all over America. Apartments there are decently priced. The airport is down the street, and the city has three subway stops with the DC metro. The area also is very suburban too. I remember a spot that had a nice topless bar.
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