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Old 06-08-2018, 12:22 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Apparently they are also entitled to live where ever they want too. On your dime.
Yea, within certain restrictions. It's not like they get to point a finger at a penthouse condo and all the amenities and go "mine!"

The affordable housing component of the buildings going up in NYC are pretty far from luxury housing often having separate building entrances and generally without the use of the many amenities. People are generally grateful to have them though calling some of these "affordable" is very much in relative terms.
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Old 06-08-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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over 32% of food stamp recipients work. (and remember, the whole population against which that's being compared includes the elderly, who are disproportionately poor, and the disabled.)

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b00705db4d1364
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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That’s bulls** and you know it. You care about who started it or you wouldn’t have
A) created a thread with a title ‘The Welfare State Grows Again’.
and B) you wouldn’t be fonting biased misinformation regarding Corey Johnson whom according to you, initiated the fair for fares program

You have a unhealthy hatred and disdain for the poor

Have totally no problems with the poor. What one cannot abide are those who make a vocation out of poverty and it being rewarded via taxpayer funds.


Leave us be clear; seniors and the disabled already qualify for discounted Metrocards. So this scheme largely applies to healthy working (or should be) grown a$$ed adults.


People who didn't make enough from one job to clear monthly nut have *always* taken second jobs/had side hustles or gigs in order to make ends meet. Guys drove taxis, tended bar, women did retail or something; anything to bring in the needed extra income.


What's that you say? These people cannot work more than one job because they have *children*. Well again am sorry about that; but it isn't society's place to reward poor life choices.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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"These people cannot work more than one job because they have *children*. Well again am sorry about that; but it isn't society's place to reward poor life choices."

You think it's society's place to punish kids for their parents' alleged bad judgment? Or is it you think that it will definitely be good for society to either have those kids go hungry or have their upbringing neglected because their caregiver is also working 60 hours a week, because that will definitely lead to their growing up to be successful, contributing adults? Can't you even do the math on the practical aspect?
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:17 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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The thing is this. In NYC, their is a mutual relationship with the rich and the poor. The poor serves the rich, while those with a college degree and so forth who works for their wasp and Jewish massa's are agents of their organization including I. With that said, this MetroCard idea is a good one. If the poor cant get to work, are the rich and the agents of the rich going to clean up aisles at wholefood when an organic sustainable, farm to table, fair trade, gluten free, vagina vegan, labeled in the Bronx, bottled in Brooklyn bottle of pasta sauce falls to the floor? Who's going to pick that up? Some Transplant with a degree for Stanford? No
Exactly.. hence tail of two economies.

You have the working poor whose living expenses in the NYC are subsidized. They serve the the affluence and rich which in turns provides the NYC lifestyle that those that live in the NYC are willing to pay a premium for. If it weren't that way and everyone forced to live in a single economy, services traditional provided by the poorer would have to rise tremendously in order to fund the basic necessities to report to work...... that means everyone, including tourists.. pays much higher costs. You'd probably be paying many times the price for a bowl of rice or a slice of pizza.

WIth that said, it is a relatively unique situation in the city that probably isn't applicable in other cities. This is why there is a city income tax that isn't levied against people who live in the NY state but outside NYC.

Just like CA, NYC is criticized... it works for them... doesn't have to work everywhere else. Don't like it don't live there.
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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Don't like it don't live there.
I think a better motto is Can't afford it, then don't live there.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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Well it looks as if there isn't a done deal as of yet; BdeB and Corey Johnson are thrashing things out.


My guess is person or persons are worried about creating yet another welfare scheme in this city that will only grow in cost, and will be hard to end (do they ever?) once enacted.


What begins with one hundred million becomes, two, then three or more in several years.


You just know as with all other welfare or whatever in New York people are going to run game. Once city starts giving away something everyone figures they have to have their taste.


Give someone a Metrocard worth $700/year, even on a monthly basis and you *KNOW* some are going to sell it on for less than face value and or in exchange for something else they want or need.
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Old 06-10-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: close to home
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I think a better motto is Can't afford it, then don't live there.
If they can't afford a Metro card, they can't afford to move.
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Old 06-10-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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Just keeping a running count of how BdeB and this some kind of piece of city council reaches into my back pocket.


Free feminine hygiene products for the "poor".


Free diapers for the "poor".


Free legal assistance in housing court for the "poor".


Free "one shot deal" back rent payments (which aren't once and rarely paid back) for the "poor".


Free housing (shelters, hotels, vouchers, etc....) for the "poor"


Free healthcare for "the poor"


And so it goes and now this new fresh hell is being piled on.


You want to wonder why bother and getting up to earn for a living. BdeB and city council are packing a pair of 38DD's for any and everyone to nurse from; come one come all.
That's how Liberals are, especially progressive liberals like De Blas*hole. That's how you buy votes. Give these people something then turn around as say vote for me or my party otherwise my challenger will take it away from you. So guess who these ignorant people are going to vote for next time?
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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Time for anyone to gets up and earns for a living to bail out of this city.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/n...subsidize.html
"The cards, the person said, would be handled much like those reduced-fare MetroCards that are already subsidized by the city for students, seniors, the disabled and about 40,000 people who receive cash assistance. About $120 million is currently spent on those existing programs."
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