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Old 06-12-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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Probably because "even as a teenager" you had your parents covering the actually important expenses, so your little metrocard was a small expense for you.

When you're paying rent, ConEd, buying food, etc.. the metrocard becomes a significant expense.
WHY ARE TEENAGERS HAVING TO PAY RENT, CON ED AND FOOD BILLS?

This is what is wrong with low income people, they have a whole bunch of kids they cant afford and expect everyone else to pay for them. Teenagers should not have financial obligations, they falls solely on the parents. This stunts their own children growth having to focus on other issues besides education.

Students already get discounted metro card as well as seniors. This program is once again giving help to people that really don't need it. Mimimum wage is going to be $15 an hour, that's $28,800 a year. This program is supposedly for those making only 12k a year. Who is making under 12k a year, that isn't already on Social security disability which has access to reduced fair metros already? This means the chronic unemployed, who really don't need the ability to ride MTA is going to benefit from this program and most likely sell them off.
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Of course it is, but when does it end? I have expenses too, lots of them, but I don't put my hand out looking for the City to take care of my own responsibilities. This is what I have a problem with. Too many people look for others to take care of them instead of them taking care of themselves.

What if we all did that? Where would this City be? I use the example of Germany years ago. When the Socialist government was in power, you had TONS of people on welfare. The attitude was why work? We can have the government take care of us!! The country suffered as a whole because so many people had their hands out taking instead of contributing and working. There is a watchdog group out there now calling for de Blasio to stop spending like a drunken sailor. He is throwing money at this and that... Homelessness... He's spent hundreds of millions of dollars and we still have a crisis. This is waste on another level. If we were spending money and actually addressing the issues that we face, then maybe I wouldn't be as critical, but when you look at how much he's increased spending since he's become mayor (almost 30%) with very little to show for it, it's mind boggling how anyone can agree with what's going on.
Right, I think it's great that you don't need that helping hand from the city and I'm sure you're doing what you can to make sure that's never the case. However, some people and their families started out with a lot less than you and your parents, and even those who started off with about the same or more can have **** happen to them that really quickly cripples their finances. That will hopefully never happen to you, but this is what's there to prop you up so you don't go straight down (and when someone really hits the bottom, it's probably an even greater issue for the city, its citizens and its coffers).

I think people need to be pushed to be weaned off of government support when they're on it so that they can stand on their own two legs, but it's hard to find a balance between stifling people to succeed and making sure that any fall isn't so hard that they can't get back up.

I definitely would like De Blasio to spend less and for the federal government to spend more and reset its priorities. The city trying to make up for greater federal deficiencies is not that efficient and loses on economies of scale.
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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109 million could have went to after school programs, building more parks, trash management, roads, build more affordable housing, mental health facilities and most of all fixing the MTA!

The middle class is truly struggling, struggling to see where all of their money even goes in this city.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:23 PM
 
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Bill de Boob and company forced through minimum wage increases that will reach nearly $14/hr. by end of this year IIRC. *That* along with a whole host of other "equality" actions was supposed to lift the so called working poor out of poverty.


Even part-time only at those wages means more than $12K per year; so just who is going to benefit from this latest bleeding heart liberal scheme?


I'll tell you who; the same one called out elsewhere in thread; people or persons with a passel of children they never should have bred; and now we all are subsidizing.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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At this point 250 million should go to bringing back state mental institutions. We need it
I was just in NYC the homeless population is out of control in NYC, quite sad
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:27 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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109 million could have went to after school programs, building more parks, trash management, roads, build more affordable housing, mental health facilities and most of all fixing the MTA!

The middle class is truly struggling, struggling to see where all of their money even goes in this city.
Well, it's sort of a roundabout way of subsidizing the MTA since the city is potentially pitching in money on rides that may have otherwise not been taken or maaaaybe would have been done via fare hopping which then boosts numbers for when soliciting for federal expenditure. Not sure if it's an efficient way to do it though.

I'd like to see the rfid / nfc fare cards be rolled in since tapping is much faster than sliding and you can easily embed them in things like school IDs and NYC ID cards. Keep the fares as is, with the discounts in the system intact, for NYC and possibly Tri-State area residents, and then double the fare for everyone else and market that as the standard fare.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Right, I think it's great that you don't need that helping hand from the city and I'm sure you're doing what you can to make sure that's never the case. However, some people and their families started out with a lot less than you and your parents, and even those who started off with about the same or more can have **** happen to them that really quickly cripples their finances. That will hopefully never happen to you, but this is what's there to prop you up so you don't go straight down (and when someone really hits the bottom, it's probably an even greater issue for the city, its citizens and its coffers).

I think people need to be pushed to be weaned off of government support when they're on it so that they can stand on their own two legs, but it's hard to find a balance between stifling people to succeed and making sure that any fall isn't so hard that they can't get back up.

I definitely would like De Blasio to spend less and for the federal government to spend more and reset its priorities. The city trying to make up for greater federal deficiencies is not that efficient and loses on economies of scale.
We weren't Rockefellers. My family worked hard and so did I. That's my point. It's about having pride and being independent, and it irks me that these people have none. If they did, they wouldn't spend generations using the system. It's one thing to have a temporary set back and another to just leech off of the system. We have a guy like this in our building, and it irks me every day to know that he doesn't work at all. Everyone else in the building are professionals that work like normal people do that have pride, morals and self-respect and dignity. He's certainly younger than me (I'm guessing in his early 20s). These are the sorts of people that will be getting free Metrocards because all of the other handouts they get aren't enough.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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I was just in NYC the homeless population is out of control in NYC, quite sad
We attract all the crazy nuts around the country that have enough money to catch a megabus to NYC. And the city does nothing about it except say they have a right to fair housing even thought they never spent a dime in this city.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:33 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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We weren't Rockefellers. My family worked hard and so did I. That's my point. It's about having pride and being independent, and it irks me that these people have none. If they did, they wouldn't spend generations using the system. It's one thing to have a temporary set back and another to just leech off of the system. We have a guy like this in our building, and it irks me every day to know that he doesn't work at all. Everyone else in the building are professionals that work like normal people do that have pride, morals and self-respect and dignity. He's certainly younger than me (I'm guessing in his early 20s). These are the sorts of people that will be getting free Metrocards because all of the other handouts they get aren't enough.
Yea, and a system that weeds out those people to get them working is great, but is that the majority of people who will benefit from this? I guess it'd be pretty hard to get the data set on "are you impoverished due to circumstance and are trying to work your way out of it and this will help you get back up on your feet or are you lazy sack of **** that doesn't try to the best of your ability given your circumstances." I guess if you tried to do a poll, most of the latter won't see themselves that way and a lot of people will answer the latter just because.

I'm not saying you were Rockefellers at all, because the 1% are by definition pretty rare. I grew up with principles that I think are similar to yours, but I'm pretty sure there were people in much worse circumstances that tried. One of the most catastrophic things is to be financially wiped out medically, either your own illness/accident or someone in the family. That stuff just happens and is the single greatest source of bankruptcy in this country. It takes people and their families out full stop from the middle class and even above. I'm not saying that's the only situation where a safety net is warranted or that's the majority of people, but I'd like to be in a city, or even better, country, that has some better nets.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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NO

Your whole post is full of misinformation, and this is why...

The fair fares program, was spearheaded by the RIDERS ALLIANCE and DE BLASIO. It gained traction in the Council, Johnson is just advocating for it, but it wasn’t STARTED by him. He’s not the face of this. DE BLASIO took it up in Albany with Cuomo and Lhota (MTA) for funding. Because other cities already have a program like it, and a high number of minorities are being trumped up on criminal charges for just hopping the train, the government is now like hey, maybe we should cut the fare in half so there isn’t a excuse to hop the train or bus, and we don’t have to process this bulls*** in court anymore
A grandmother gets a ticket from five cops on Fordham Road for getting on the Bx12 Select for free. Many argue this may alleviate that.....!
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