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The only way a GOP mayor will win is a situation like now where all of the damage done collectively by DeBlasio takes center stage. I am appalled by this man's incompetence because NYC is liberal but not ultra liberal at the lunacy level of CA. The no bail stuff even AOC is ducking away from it because it would put her in a tough spot if asked about it. NYers are very conservative in terms of social changes. In the last 30 years up to now, there hasn't been any fundamental changes to housing nor criminal justice until DeBlasio showed up and the new wave of progressives taking over the city council.
I predict we will have either a tough crime centrist mayor or a liberal leaning GOP mayor next. It won't be another progressive who is about to compete with Chicago in progressive policies.
The republican party has become the whites only party. So until that changes I can't imagine a GOP mayor of NYC
What a ridiculous comment, but I don't blame you for making it - the media has done an outstanding job at creating divisions by providing both incorrect and partial stories.
^ Correct. Handsupthumbsdown is just another sheep that fell for the Left’s use of identity politics, where your identity (race, color, sex, religion, etc.) is more important than who you are.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in what the progressive socialist Democrats are doing to this city should become a GOP, regardless of your race.
^ Correct. Handsupthumbsdown is just another sheep that fell for the Left’s use of identity politics, where your identity (race, color, sex, religion, etc.) is more important than who you are.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in what the progressive socialist Democrats are doing to this city should become a GOP, regardless of your race.
That is very correct, that is actually why probably more than 90% of people in my profession vote Republican, even though we tend to be socially liberal, and couldn't care less what people do with their own private lives (including their cultures, races, religions, sexual preferences, what they wear and eat, or whatever)... government really is only about economy and safety, I have no idea why anything else should be a government business. Although whenever I voted in the past I ended up voting for a Republican, I am a centrist, and am actually open to vote for the right type of Democrat. I would vote for Yang if he were a realistic presidential candidate (I actually do not think that his UBI would bankrupt the country, but would have a fair chance of erasing welfare state, including welfare behaviors and the governmental welfare administration... UBI is originally a conservative fiscal idea, and has been very constructively upheld by the current Republican governor of Alaska, who used it as an instrument for defunding some of the traditional welfare). If I were a NYC voter, I would actually also vote for Ruben Diaz Jr (a moderate, pro-business Democrat) for a mayor, in order to prevent another BDB or worse.
Back to UBI - for a taxpayer, it works like a personal income tax reduction (although that advantage would be offset by VAT in Yang's scheme of things), while for a welfare person it works like a stimulus to actually think how to manage money (because they will not get anything else besides the UBI, no matter how many kids or "disabilities" they have) and to look for work (because an employment would not remove the UBI).
That is very correct, that is actually why probably more than 90% of people in my profession vote Republican, even though we tend to be socially liberal, and couldn't care less what people do with their own private lives (including their cultures, races, religions, sexual preferences, what they wear and eat, or whatever)... government really is only about economy and safety, I have no idea why anything else should be a government business. Although whenever I voted in the past I ended up voting for a Republican, I am a centrist, and am actually open to vote for the right type of Democrat. I would vote for Yang if he were a realistic presidential candidate (I actually do not think that his UBI would bankrupt the country, but would have a fair chance of erasing welfare state, including welfare behaviors and the governmental welfare administration... UBI is originally a conservative fiscal idea, and has been very constructively upheld by the current Republican governor of Alaska, who used it as an instrument for defunding some of the traditional welfare). If I were a NYC voter, I would actually also vote for Ruben Diaz Jr (a moderate, pro-business Democrat) for a mayor, in order to prevent another BDB or worse.
Back to UBI - for a taxpayer, it works like a personal income tax reduction (although that advantage would be offset by VAT in Yang's scheme of things), while for a welfare person it works like a stimulus to actually think how to manage money (because they will not get anything else besides the UBI, no matter how many kids or "disabilities" they have) and to look for work (because an employment would not remove the UBI).
Regarding UBI, the SSI program is kind of similar and was an idea hatched by Nixon, but trimmed to just include the disabled and elderly. I too like Yang and the idea of putting money directly into the hands of people
Dismiss the voting data at your own peril. The party is hemorrhaging voters of color. If your response to that is to call them sheep, instead of offer some vision for the US that includes them, don't expect much POC support.
Republican vision DOES include voters of every color, but it does not specifically give advantages to non-white voters over the white ones, if that is what you mean.
One more thing about UBI: it has been frequently brought up that UBI would cause a massive inflation, but I don't think that would happen if UBI is combined with VAT. Prices of certain consumer goods would increase because of VAT, not because of inflation, and the purchasing power of taxpayers would remain the same (they would get money from UBI, but they would spend that money on VAT). Prices of budget goods would not change (inflation typically does not affect dollar stores and McDonald's - they always have cheap offerings, although minimum wage laws certainly do tend to have their immediate reflection in the price of a cheeseburger, but that is a different mechanism from UBI). Cheap-goods businesses would probably expand with UBI because people living only on UBI would patronize only such businesses (no government vouchers for lobster roll :-). Likewise, if Section 8 is discontinued, and current welfare recipients had to pay their rent from their UBI, you would quickly see rent reductions, even in NYC (since the landlords would not have a choice from renting to a Section 8 recipient who carries a free voucher for $1,500 per month vs. a honest low-income person that cannot pay more than $800 per month out of their income).
Republican vision DOES include voters of every color, but it does not specifically give advantages to non-white voters over the white ones, if that is what you mean.).
I don't think that the plurality of backgrounds that make up the Democrats believe this or desire it. This fear has grown among white voters in response to Obama of course, which is how we got trump.
I never accuse anyone of "voting against their own interests " or merely being "sheep." It's a fools errand. Trump absolutely represents the interests of those who voted for him.
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One more about UBI: it has been frequently brought up that UBI would cause a massive inflation, but I don't think that would happen if UBI is combined with VAT. Prices of certain consumer goods would increase because of VAT, not because of inflation, and the purchasing power of taxpayers would remain the same (they would get money from UBI, but they would spend that money on VAT). Prices of budget goods would not change (inflation typically does not affect dollar stores and McDonald's - they always have cheap offerings, although minimum wage laws certainly do tend to have their immediate reflection in the price of a cheeseburger, but that is a different mechanism from UBI). Cheap-goods businesses would probably expand with UBI because people living only on UBI would patronize only such businesses (no government vouchers for lobster roll :-). Likewise, if Section 8 is discontinued, and current welfare recipients had to pay their rent from their UBI, you would quickly see rent reductions, even in NYC (since the landlords would not have a choice from renting to a Section 8 recipient who carries a free voucher for $1,500 per month vs. a honest low-income person that cannot pay more than $800 per month out of their income).
I could see a lot of cutting of bureaucratic red tape and an increase in quality of life for many
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