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There are more than a few studies that have shown a person owning a gun is more likely to die from being shot, than one who is not. There is also at least one study that shows a person carrying a gun is more likely to see a threat where none exists.
Can you point me to the second one you mention above? I have never come across literature of that nature. I must admit that my immediate impulse is that it is likely biased. I have read the phenomenon you mention first, and don't disagree with it at all.
Can you point me to the second one you mention above? I have never come across literature of that nature. I must admit that my immediate impulse is that it is likely biased. I have read the phenomenon you mention first, and don't disagree with it at all.
Do you have a link to the study itself? I tried the link in the story but it pointed to a firewalled journal. I'm sure you respect that I don't find much merit in a local newspaper's account of research with such important implications.
There are more than a few studies that have shown a person owning a gun is more likely to die from being shot, than one who is not.
There were also many studies that said raising the speed limit above 55mph would cause a bloodbath on American roads. Funny how that carnage never occurred.
Do you have a link to the study itself? I tried the link in the story but it pointed to a firewalled journal. I'm sure you respect that I don't find much merit in a local newspaper's account of research with such important implications.
Most journals are fire-walled. If you go to a library, they can generally get you a copy of it.
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There were also many studies that said raising the speed limit above 55mph would cause a bloodbath on American roads. Funny how that carnage never occurred.
And, most of those studies were in fact, refuted once they were published. The ones I cite have not. In fact, there's plenty of studies that have shown a correlation between gun deaths and gun availability, which have not been refuted either; unlike Kleck's study that created the "Guns deter 1 million crimes per year" figure, which has been refuted hundreds of times, and Kleck has never defended his work.
And, most of those studies were in fact, refuted once they were published. The ones I cite have not. In fact, there's plenty of studies that have shown a correlation between gun deaths and gun availability, which have not been refuted either; unlike Kleck's study that created the "Guns deter 1 million crimes per year" figure, which has been refuted hundreds of times, and Kleck has never defended his work.
Gun 'availability' is not the same as gun 'legality.'
Making them illegal frankly doesn't make them all that much less available.
Do you recall the last crime where an RPG was used?
Yesterday. In Afghanistan. Fun fact: RPGs are not technically affected by assault weapon bans at all (single shot magazine, no stock).
Legality may create easy availability, but two negatives to not make a positive in either math or logic, meaning the negative of legality (illegality) does not make for the negative of easy availability (difficult availability).
In fact, by making weapons illegal you remove the necessity of running background checks, or waiting periods, or filling out forms, or anything like that. Buy out the back of the alley, same day service, all you have to do is not tell the law. Banning some weapons makes them AMAZINGLY available.
Serious question from someone who doesn't own a "assault rifle" and had no plans to buy one.
What would the average persons chances of being killed by an assault rifle vs say someone texting on a cell phone??
It strikes me that outlawing cell phones would save more lives.
When you take into account operating hours for cell phones, guns, and cars; guns wins the contest there.
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Yesterday. In Afghanistan. Fun fact: RPGs are not technically affected by assault weapon bans at all (single shot magazine, no stock).
RPG's are not illegal in Afghanistan. If we want to expand to a global scale, I can play that one too: No weapon is banned in Somalia, and it's one of the most violent places on the planet.
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Legality may create easy availability, but two negatives to not make a positive in either math or logic, meaning the negative of legality (illegality) does not make for the negative of easy availability (difficult availability).
Actually, it does, in math, and logic. Ever seen a drive by done with a Davy Crockett Warhead? No?
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In fact, by making weapons illegal you remove the necessity of running background checks, or waiting periods, or filling out forms, or anything like that. Buy out the back of the alley, same day service, all you have to do is not tell the law. Banning some weapons makes them AMAZINGLY available.
Not really. Banning anything generally makes them hard to get. Short of something that grows as easily as a weed
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