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Old 01-18-2013, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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A co-workers friend's father passed away, and his funeral was yesterday. My co-worker was telling me about how beautiful the funeral was. They spoke of this man and how, when ever a woman or an elderly person would enter a room where he was, he would always stand and help her with their chair. He would extend a helping hand to anyone even strangers...he was the poster child for politeness...and I thought, his parents must have been unique and very special.

We are loosing the abilities today that I entitled my thread with. Human beings are not only forgetting to be humble, kind, polite, but also, so out of touch with awareness, therefore, it is not getting passed down to the children.

Being parents is a huge huge undertaking, and I think back now, when I had my son, did I ever realize, I was raising this lil boy, to be the next generation and leader of this country. No, I did not...so that everything he learned he to, would pass down to his children. It is a trickle down effect.

today, everyone is so tied to their electronic devices, they are forgetting to be polite, b/c now adays, it's ok to talk on the phone while in someone else's space. It's ok, to go in the out door, no matter how much you inconvenience the person who is waiting to go out. It's ok to allow your kids to know way to much, way to soon, to be impatient, impolite in restaurants, doctors offices, etc. If Parents of today, are not aware, then so will their kids be to. Sad, isn't it....how the trickle down effect, can effect generations to come.

I am walking down a hall at work, a very large hall, and yet, a young person is walking towards me on the same side????? That person is checking his i-phone...and has no concept of me being present...so, I must move to keep us from colliding... So glad we were not in cars...

At work, when we walk up and down steps, or down a narrow hallway, instead of walking single file, we walk side by side, b/c it is so important to carry on our conversation, and we don't even notice the person, we made turn sideways & press hard against the wall, to let us pass.

Awareness, do people even know what that word means any more? Do men know how to treat a woman any more, like opening the car door for her, and extending his hand so to help her out of the car? Probably not.

When walking into a convenience store, do you walk out the out door, or walk out both doors, making the person who is entering the store, step aside....? I cannot remember how long it's been since I've had a young man hold the door for me. How many of your young boys are taught that if they see an older person walking down the street with groceries, to help them?

How many people walk their dogs and allow them to deficate all over their neighbors yard or public place, without cleaning it up?

I remember when we were kids, the neighbor worked night shift and slept during the day, so we were told to keep it down...period, and if not, we had to come inside to play...I wonder how many parents today train their kids like that?

When we were in a doctors office, we were trained to whisper very softly while our parents would turn their ears to us, so as not to disturb any one else in the office.

Over Christmas vacation, I took my grand daughter to see a movie, and grown adults were sitting behind us, and talked, talked, talked so loud, that I turned around and asked them if they intended on talking like that throughout the entire movie, b/c if so, we would move?????????

Now lets take this one step further and think about the trickle effect of school, teachings and is it any wonder, our world is a whole different one today and so many mistakes are made...human errors, that effect the lives of others.

I heard it once said, and it is so true, but such a lost concept in todays world..."What you say, and do, and the decissions you make, effect the lives of so many others" And that is so true, but when two people decide to run around on their mates, they never think about that, do they...funny, how so many human qualities are flying out the door on deaf ears...

this goes even one step further...when did we loose the ability to realize, if someone disagrees with us, that doesn't mean, they are right and we are wrong, it is in fact, simply a matter of opinion, doesn't make them ignorant, an arse, or any other negative definition we could call them, simply b/c that person thinks differently then we do. No, we take it as a huge personal attack against our character and refuse to identify it as anything else, we do not possess the concept or intelligence to problem solve and realize, in this country today, we blame, without facts or the realization, it takes two to tango....sad....

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Old 01-18-2013, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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A lack of awareness of how our actions affect others is a huge problem nowadays.

It's developmental. It takes effort to get out of "infant" mode, which is basically what this phenomenon is. You have to think and try and put off your own needs when you take others into consideration.

Many people just can't be bothered to do that. It's "hard."
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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We glorify those who have come up from nothing by beating out all competition. That's all you need to know.

Everybody wants to be "hard" nowadays. Everybody has their pride and honor pumped up to the max. It's all culturally defined by the music on the radio and the shows on TV.

Every single one of the traits you mentioned are considered as a sign of weakness in today's cutthroat society. That's why people don't apply them anymore.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:56 AM
 
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We glorify those who have come up from nothing by beating out all competition. That's all you need to know.

Everybody wants to be "hard" nowadays. Everybody has their pride and honor pumped up to the max. It's all culturally defined by the music on the radio and the shows on TV.

Every single one of the traits you mentioned are considered as a sign of weakness in today's cutthroat society. That's why people don't apply them anymore.
I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly what I was thinking. Everyone's "tough" or "hard"...


it's a sign of weakness to be overly polite and considerate and thoughtful. Push-over, door-mat come to mind.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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A co-workers friend's father passed away, and his funeral was yesterday. My co-worker was telling me about how beautiful the funeral was. They spoke of this man and how, when ever a woman or an elderly person would enter a room where he was, he would always stand and help her with their chair. He would extend a helping hand to anyone even strangers...he was the poster child for politeness...and I thought, his parents must have been unique and very special.

We are loosing the abilities today that I entitled my thread with. Human beings are not only forgetting to be humble, kind, polite, but also, so out of touch with awareness, therefore, it is not getting passed down to the children.

Being parents is a huge huge undertaking, and I think back now, when I had my son, did I ever realize, I was raising this lil boy, to be the next generation and leader of this country. No, I did not...so that everything he learned he to, would pass down to his children. It is a trickle down effect.

today, everyone is so tied to their electronic devices, they are forgetting to be polite, b/c now adays, it's ok to talk on the phone while in someone else's space. It's ok, to go in the out door, no matter how much you inconvenience the person who is waiting to go out. It's ok to allow your kids to know way to much, way to soon, to be impatient, impolite in restaurants, doctors offices, etc. If Parents of today, are not aware, then so will their kids be to. Sad, isn't it....how the trickle down effect, can effect generations to come.

I am walking down a hall at work, a very large hall, and yet, a young person is walking towards me on the same side????? That person is checking his i-phone...and has no concept of me being present...so, I must move to keep us from colliding... So glad we were not in cars...

At work, when we walk up and down steps, or down a narrow hallway, instead of walking single file, we walk side by side, b/c it is so important to carry on our conversation, and we don't even notice the person, we made turn sideways & press hard against the wall, to let us pass.

Awareness, do people even know what that word means any more? Do men know how to treat a woman any more, like opening the car door for her, and extending his hand so to help her out of the car? Probably not.

When walking into a convenience store, do you walk out the out door, or walk out both doors, making the person who is entering the store, step aside....? I cannot remember how long it's been since I've had a young man hold the door for me. How many of your young boys are taught that if they see an older person walking down the street with groceries, to help them?

How many people walk their dogs and allow them to deficate all over their neighbors yard or public place, without cleaning it up?

I remember when we were kids, the neighbor worked night shift and slept during the day, so we were told to keep it down...period, and if not, we had to come inside to play...I wonder how many parents today train their kids like that?

When we were in a doctors office, we were trained to whisper very softly while our parents would turn their ears to us, so as not to disturb any one else in the office.

Over Christmas vacation, I took my grand daughter to see a movie, and grown adults were sitting behind us, and talked, talked, talked so loud, that I turned around and asked them if they intended on talking like that throughout the entire movie, b/c if so, we would move?????????

Now lets take this one step further and think about the trickle effect of school, teachings and is it any wonder, our world is a whole different one today and so many mistakes are made...human errors, that effect the lives of others.

I heard it once said, and it is so true, but such a lost concept in todays world..."What you say, and do, and the decissions you make, effect the lives of so many others" And that is so true, but when two people decide to run around on their mates, they never think about that, do they...funny, how so many human qualities are flying out the door on deaf ears...

this goes even one step further...when did we loose the ability to realize, if someone disagrees with us, that doesn't mean, they are right and we are wrong, it is in fact, simply a matter of opinion, doesn't make them ignorant, an arse, or any other negative definition we could call them, simply b/c that person thinks differently then we do. No, we take it as a huge personal attack against our character and refuse to identify it as anything else, we do not possess the concept or intelligence to problem solve and realize, in this country today, we blame, without facts or the realization, it takes two to tango....sad....
I was with you up until the bolded part. I understand your rant mostly but it seems like you are sorta giving young women a little more slack. I am a male millennial and I can verify that there are as many self-asorbed young women as there are young men. Usually when someone holds the door for me it is a young male who is doing it. It just seems when Generation Y is being talked about or bashed, the female side is usually let off the hook.

I am sorry but it seems popular to think that young male Generation Y'ers are just a bunch of lazy, sociopathic, no job-having, video-game playing, horny b^*@#rds and I am sick of it as a young 24 year old man.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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it's a sign of weakness to be overly polite and considerate and thoughtful. Push-over, door-mat come to mind.
What a shortsighted way for those people to live.

"Never mistake my kindness for weakness,
My calmness for acceptance,
My silence for ignorance."

Living this way ^^^ is the ultimate sign of wisdom, and exercising control over your actions and emotions is the ultimate sign of strength. You can only control yourself anyway.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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I was with you up until the bolded part. I understand your rant mostly but it seems like you are sorta giving young women a little more slack. I am a male millennial and I can verify that there are as many self-asorbed young women as there are young men. Usually when someone holds the door for me it is a young male who is doing it.

I am sorry but it seems popular to think that young male Generation Y'ers are just a bunch of lazy, sociopathic, no job-having, video-game playing, horny b^*@#rds and I am sick of it as a young 24 year old man.
No, your actually wrong, was simply using that as an example and my words ran into one another, doesn't matter if your man or woman, however, young men, children, today, are not taught how to be polite...as well as young girls...self absorbtion and a huge huge lack of common sense and respect for others....
as many of those who posted above have said...it's not about male or female, just using examples.
I remember as a kid, going grocery shopping, and if there was someone else in front of me, with a lot of items, they'd let me go first, today, how many times has that happened to you? You have one item, the woman in front of you just did her weekly shopping with a full cart, did she tell you to go first. I have done that, actually just 2 weeks ago and the person was astonished and thanked me so much.
If society views all this as a sign of weakness, then there is no hope.

And to those men, who refuse to get a job beneath them, to have a job, and sit around playing video games, I feel very sorry for your kids, and your kids mates.

As a mother, I refused to coddle my son....he learned, he had to ask if he could be excused from the table....he got up, rinsed his dishes in the sink and placed them in the dishwasher, he did his own laundry, cleaning, learned how to cook, to shop for food, to save money and he paid his own bills. Not that we couldn't afford it, but to be self sufficent. He still holds the door for women, if they like it or not...and he knows not to go in the out door. ;0)
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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this goes even one step further...when did we loose the ability to realize, if someone disagrees with us, that doesn't mean, they are right and we are wrong, it is in fact, simply a matter of opinion, doesn't make them ignorant, an arse, or any other negative definition we could call them, simply b/c that person thinks differently then we do. No, we take it as a huge personal attack against our character and refuse to identify it as anything else, we do not possess the concept or intelligence to problem solve and realize, in this country today, we blame, without facts or the realization, it takes two to tango....sad....
There are many factors that lead to our evolving American culture, such as....

1. We're a service oriented economy, which means most of us earn a living providing a service to others, have incomes that are tied to the perceived value of the service you provide. If you flip burgers, you get minimum wage. If you are a wall street CEO and make a lot of money for your investors, you get a cut of that cash. So time is money, and money is time. And it takes our energy and time to practice those good values you mentioned (kindness) for others.

2. We live in a bubble that only includes friends and families. We essentially live in gated communities where your neighbors generally have the same values, unlike the residents who live in another part of the city. Coworkers, customers, and business associates are just people in the financial apparatus that support our quality of life, standard of living, its called "work". And they don't call it work for no reason. Dealing with others at work is no easy chore, and play nice at work is road kill for career progression.

3. And my favorite is one a friend shared with me a while ago: CNN, cable TV, the internet, and now social media, are the great equalizers. People are comporting themselves in a manner that is consistent with where they get their news and public interest information. Despite how many dislike Kim Kardasihian, her clan has become tremendously wealthy from having millions of followers and admirers. It's style over substance, so it seems you can make money off of your unique personality. Unfortunately, many believe you can fake till you make it, and maybe one day they will get their own reality show like Snooki.

Somewhere in their the golden rule applies, right?
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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it's a sign of weakness to be overly polite and considerate and thoughtful. Push-over, door-mat come to mind.
Then I'd much rather be considered weak....and that is another thing, people do not teach their children confidence, to not worry about being accepted if they think and feel differently.

To abandone your own self respect for acceptance, is weakness....

No matter what, parents should be teaching their kids, to never ever trade your persona to be accepted...
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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There are many factors that lead to our evolving American culture, such as....

1. We're a service oriented economy, which means most of us earn a living providing a service to others, have incomes that are tied to the perceived value of the service you provide. If you flip burgers, you get minimum wage. If you are a wall street CEO and make a lot of money for your investors, you get a cut of that cash. So time is money, and money is time. And it takes our energy and time to practice those good values you mentioned (kindness) for others.

2. We live in a bubble that only includes friends and families. We essentially live in gated communities where your neighbors generally have the same values, unlike the residents who live in another part of the city. Coworkers, customers, and business associates are just people in the financial apparatus that support our quality of life, standard of living, its called "work". And they don't call it work for no reason. Dealing with others at work is no easy chore, and play nice at work is road kill for career progression.

3. And my favorite is one a friend shared with me a while ago: CNN, cable TV, the internet, and now social media, are the great equalizers. People are comporting themselves in a manner that is consistent with where they get their news and public interest information. Despite how many dislike Kim Kardasihian, her clan has become tremendously wealthy from having millions of followers and admirers. It's style over substance, so it seems you can make money off of your unique personality. Unfortunately, many believe you can fake till you make it, and maybe one day they will get their own reality show like Snooki.
Very well said...and my God, if people watch Snooki and call that entertainment, well, that is down right frightening. Another example is Survivor....that only taught people to hurt others so you can be the winner....there is no concept of team work or team players anymore, just look at how many parents get violent, at a kids game??????

It is the same with "Diamonds and Tierras"????? I cannot believe that show is still on TV...so plastic and out of touch, to teach little children that the only important thing in life is being beautiful and winning a beauty contest...wow?????? Are they ever going to be mentally crippeled/challenged when they grow up....

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