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Old 11-02-2014, 06:31 AM
 
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If the entire state voted in favor of the amendment it wouldn't matter because one person with a gavel and silk robe would strike it down as being unconstitutional (God I'm getting sick of that word!) So don't sweat it, your vote won't matter.
It hasn't been struck down in 49 other states as being unconstitutional as the US Constitution doesn't actually prevent it.

So contrary to your statement, it won't be struck down as unconstitutional. Your vote does matter.
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The only reason that I can see that some are against this amendment (because I haven't heard a logical argument for denying people this right) is that it was placed on the ballot by the GOP NC General Assembly. Those partisan blinders are at work again.
While that is in fact a valid reason for many of us, given their track record, my reason for voting No is that any constitutional amendment initiative should put the burden of proof on the "Yes" vote--the default setting is "No (don't amend the Constitution) until proven otherwise." I have seen not one ad or news story about this giving any reason it was put on the ballot, so there has been no "burden of proof" shown.

Unfortunately, I fear that many voters behave exactly the opposite--they see something on the ballot, and they vote "Yes" unless they know a reason to vote otherwise. It should always be "No" if you don't know or fully understand what you're voting for!
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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.... I have seen not one ad or news story about this giving any reason it was put on the ballot, so there has been no "burden of proof" shown....!
They have been linked in this topic.
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Old 11-04-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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It passed.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Hickory, NC
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I realize that this amendment only gives the defendant the OPTION to waive a trial by jury, but I knew nothing about it until I stepped into the ballot box. Should have done my homework on this one. I voted against as I don't take amending the constitution lightly.
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
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I hadn't heard about the proposed amendment until I reviewed a voter guide. I guess NC was the last state to provide for these "bench trials."
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:54 PM
 
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While that is in fact a valid reason for many of us, given their track record, my reason for voting No is that any constitutional amendment initiative should put the burden of proof on the "Yes" vote--the default setting is "No (don't amend the Constitution) until proven otherwise." I have seen not one ad or news story about this giving any reason it was put on the ballot, so there has been no "burden of proof" shown.

Unfortunately, I fear that many voters behave exactly the opposite--they see something on the ballot, and they vote "Yes" unless they know a reason to vote otherwise. It should always be "No" if you don't know or fully understand what you're voting for!
It did seem to be quietly sneaked on to the ballot. I heard about it from the link I provided several posts ago.
It passed so it doesn't matter now.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:06 AM
 
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Does this option even matter?
The last Amendment that the people voted for wasn't honored...
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Does this option even matter?
The last Amendment that the people voted for wasn't honored...
The last amendment was put up for vote during a contentious primary race for president on the Republican side & no race for president on the Democratic side. The Republican right voted for an unconstitutional amendment.
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Old 11-11-2014, 02:06 AM
 
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..... The Republican right voted for an unconstitutional amendment.
More Democrats voted in that election than Republicans because they had to pick a successor for Beverly Perdue to run against Pat McCrory for NC Governor. That Democratic primary was very contentious.

Assuming that every single person who voted in the GOP primary for Governor voted for Amendment 1, then 50% of the Democrats who voted in the Democrat party for Governor would have had to have voted for it too.

i.e. A large number of Democrats voted for Amendment 1 as well.

(The GOP primary was already settled before NC voted on it.)

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