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Further I just want you guys to know that in the 70s the condo in Kaka'ako my ohana rentted was about 400mth. So please tell me how redevelopment and population don't go hand in hand with prices too?
Let us do some math. The 70's were some of the highest years of inflation in US history.
I shall split the difference of the "70's".
In 1975, without any adjusting for supply or demand, $400 equates to $1,800 in 2014. Considering you said "Ohana", that sounds about right.
I meant to say locals but I was trying to be politically correct.
All I can see is it made if factually incorrect.
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I don't think the intent has ever been to draw people FROM Honolulu to Kapolei. More to keep this side from needing to travel to Honolulu. It's definitely suburbia and it's definitely the less tropical area.
But doesn't that side already have suburban stuff. Like Waipahu, for example, seems to have way more suburban types of shops already...
I kinda wish they'd have built Kapolei to be more modeled after Hilo, or something like that.
Despite that i still haven't seen anything that disputes my original point. Thou the jet age theory is plausible if one wants to ignore the impact of redevelopment and modernization on population growth in Oahu. The problem is it doesn't hold up under logic. If the jet age was the cause then why wouldn't the other islands be overcrowded like oahu? Further if just being Hawaii was the attraction and being tropical islands was the lure to move and live then all the islands would be overcrowded right? See the reason Oahu is overcrowded and the other islands are not is because Oahu looks and has the feel of any big city and is modernized. Thus my original point, stop redevelopment and control the population. No majority of people wants to move to an area that doesn't have the attraction of mainland comforts, thus also why other islands and oahu distant past were not overcrowded. Every other argument against is just a distraction.
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I'm not sure why Oahu was developed as the business hub originally, though I'm sure someone here knows. I did a quick google and saw references to the fact that Oahu has 3 natural ports and the military. I stretching my brain pre-coffee but I think the Federal Gov't gave the money for the H1 due to the military being here, which had to affect the development of Oahu. I think Ft. DeRussey started development in Waikiki.
Are you saying if we didn't have thinks like big box stores, and we stopped building homes people wouldn't come here? If we stopped the rail they wouldn't come? I'm afraid our economy would get a hard hit without growth, so perhaps then we would go back to more people leaving?
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I'm not sure why Oahu was developed as the business hub originally, though I'm sure someone here knows. I did a quick google and saw references to the fact that Oahu has 3 natural ports and the military. I stretching my brain pre-coffee but I think the Federal Gov't gave the money for the H1 due to the military being here, which had to affect the development of Oahu. I think Ft. DeRussey started development in Waikiki.
Are you saying if we didn't have thinks like big box stores, and we stopped building homes people wouldn't come here? If we stopped the rail they wouldn't come? I'm afraid our economy would get a hard hit without growth, so perhaps then we would go back to more people leaving?
I don't have all the answers sistah but im just wondering how did Oahu or Hawaii survive economicly back 40, 50 or 60 years ago when populations were 300,000 to 500,000? Since hawaii is an tourism based economy dont you develop the tourist areas only to encourage tourism but not movi
how did Oahu or Hawaii survive economicly back 40, 50 or 60 years ago
Prior to the jet age - Hawaii tourism was more of a niche market, limited by literally a few resorts on Waikiki. Most traveled to Hawaii by ship and were extremely wealthy as they needed the time to take a week to get to Hawaii - stay in Hawaii - then a week to get back to the mainland. Planes did come to Hawaii, but the cost was prohibitively expensive for most people, it was a grueling 12 hour ride, and there was usually only a couple at most flights per day.
Hawaii "survived" on agriculture -specifically pineapple and mostly sugar cane. The vast majority of people worked on sugar plantations prior to WWII
White Americans arrived by the masses just prior and during WWII. Due to WWII and military significance, the population of Oahu grew immensely adding 100,000 residents during the 1940's. There were only about 1,000 hotel rooms in Hawaii at the end of WWII.
Statehood and the jet age transformed Oahu - as well as the collapse of the sugar and pineapple industry. Statehood meant Americans felt more safe traveling to Hawaii. The jet age meant people could travel to Hawaii in about 5 hours - the jet age also meant anyone traveling to places like Australia had to stop in Hawaii (look at the history of Pan Am).
The dawn of the jet age brought 290,000 visitors to Hawaii in 1960. Which then rose to 1,700,000 in 1970. There were only 46,000 visitors in 1950
We all know before the tourism industry hawaii was an agriculture based economy. That wasn't why i asked. But tanks fo' the information, i assume there are some who didn't know and could use the information you gave.
Anyway since you give us your gift of intelligents, i thought i would give you the gift of spirit from Hawai'i. Bruddah relax no take things serious so much. Feel the mana brah and know that this is part of the spirit of the islands and the aloha spirit as well. Hope mod doesn't erase it. Come join the darkside whiteviper1
And I ALWAYS am more than pleased to supply the necessary data and sometimes the solution to some of the problems that seem to plague the already over crowded island of Oahu. That being said, I hereby present my solution to the rail/no-rail, rapid transit problem on Oahu. Firstly, it's blatantly obvious that the crux of the problem is finding a suitable means to transport large numbers of people from distant communities on Oahu, and transport them quickly, without tying up too much space. Here is my simple, yet elegant, solution;
The projectile,, I mean 'commuter', would be traveling at a speedy 60-85 mph, with a good tailwind from Kapolei, transit time from Kapolei to Kakaako would be a short 15 minutes, (needless to say, during Kona weather, some delays could be expected), and the views would be TO DIE FOR!!!!!
All that is further required would be a slightly larger cannon, and a net suspended between two of the new towers in Kakaako as the 'receiving area'. Quite frankly, I'm amazed that the State of Hawaii didn't come up with this first?? Oh well, genius is a burden sometimes.
I'm trying to work an in flight,,, uuuurrrrpppp,,,,, scuze me, beverage service into the plan
Don't forget, I'm ALWAYS here to help
Your solution is quite brilliant. However, while you have settled the problem of commuting FROM Kapolei TO Honolulu, you apparently did not include any mechanism for the return trip. Oversight, I'm sure. Fortunately, similar infrastructure is already in place in the Honolulu area and ready to be put to use:
Despite that i still haven't seen anything that disputes my original point. Thou the jet age theory is plausible if one wants to ignore the impact of redevelopment and modernization on population growth in Oahu. The problem is it doesn't hold up under logic. If the jet age was the cause then why wouldn't the other islands be overcrowded like oahu? Further if just being Hawaii was the attraction and being tropical islands was the lure to move and live then all the islands would be overcrowded right? See the reason Oahu is overcrowded and the other islands are not is because Oahu looks and has the feel of any big city and is modernized. Thus my original point, stop redevelopment and control the population. No majority of people wants to move to an area that doesn't have the attraction of mainland comforts, thus also why other islands and oahu distant past were not overcrowded. Every other argument against is just a distraction.
The growth on the neighbor islands from 1960 to present far outstrips the growth of Oahu. Oahu just started with a bigger base.
Oahu went from about 500k to 953k (less than double)
Maui went from about 35k to 144k (quadruple growth)
The BI went from about 61k to 185k (triple growth)
Kauai went from about 28k to 67k (more than double)
You can see the biggest jumps in the neighbor islands when they built runways that could accommodate direct flights from the mainland and not have to go through HNL.
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