Would you vote for Governor Kasich as president? (Toledo, Washington: appointed, transfer)

[LexusNexus]

As a Republican, the man is a repulsive political figure, doomed to exit the race at some point. The ideology he represents has long proven itself to be a severe drag on this country.

No.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Owe you a rep - but you have illustrated why I would never vote for Kasich.

I care about the environment and about other issues such as education and quelling the tide towards charter schools and privatization.
Our minimum wage also needs to be raised.

My first choice is Bernie Sanders. After that, Hillary Clinton or what ever democrat obtains the nomination.

Why would anyone vote for Hilary!? She has done absolutely nothing except make up her own rules and lie.. Voters please educate yourself about her. IMO, a vote for Hilary , is a vote for dishonesty and more corruption.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Why would anyone vote for Hilary!? She has done absolutely nothing except make up her own rules and lie.. Voters please educate yourself about her. IMO, a vote for Hilary , is a vote for dishonesty and more corruption.

Unfortunately, it's a 2 party system. So it's unlikely that there would be any better options.

[WRnative]

Drop in Ohio median income a troubling sign of a have-and-have-not economy: editorial | cleveland.com

Ohio's median family income, according to this report, is 20 percent below the national average.

What Kasich program will remedy this? JobsOhio has transferred over a billion dollars in revenues from the general fund to a secretive private entity staffed by highly-paid Kasich cronies, with its president now making over $300,000 annually (I wonder how much of that is contributed to Kasich political coffers, perhaps through a Super PAC with few or no disclosure requirements).

JobsOhio's extravagant payroll increases -- to itself: editorial | cleveland.com

Note in Figure 1 how much of the damage was inflicted by the great recession created by Republicans under George W. Bush, followed up in Ohio by Kasich policies that have punished the middle class and eroded work force skills. Even under Democratic Ohio governors, such as Ted Strickland, the Republican-controlled Ohio Senate has limited efforts to increase funding to improve Ohio workforce job skills.

https://www.americanprogressaction.o...-middle-class/

We don't know how much JobsOhio is paying for every job "created" nor the skill levels required of these new jobs, nor even if the jobs still exist. There have been reports of corporations funded by JobsOhio going bankrupt. We don't know the salaries paid in these new jobs, many of which seem to be low-paid warehouse distribution jobs.

Wouldn't Ohioans have benefited more from a low-overhead and transparent plan that offered existing and prospective employers trained, high-skill employees, perhaps paying for training for new employees, and requiring employees to reimburse Ohio if they didn't stay in the state on a sliding scale if they moved from Ohio?

Note also that Kasich has slashed in real dollars funding for education, especially higher education, imperiling the quality of Ohio's future work force.

I continue to reiterate that the Republican Toll Road created by Republicans in Ohio and Indiana, using future super tolls to fund road projects throughout Indiana and Ohio, will slowly but surely and foolishly will turn northern Ohio into a manufacturing wasteland, to the great detriment of the entire state. This is economics 101, folks.

Sadly, borrowing from the future, the funds raised by leveraging the Ohio Turnpike are being spent currently, but paid for in the future. A few years from now, how will the Republicans pay for continued and necessary infrastructure spending in Ohio, long after Kasich has left office?

Funds borrowed to fund both JobsOhio and the leveraging of the Ohio Turnpike likely resulted in massive underwriting fees (5-7 percent of the funds raised) to investment banks, also likely sources of Kasich campaign funds (pay to play). Why has no one quantified the cost of these investment fees and identified the recipients.

Is it any surprise that Ohioans are miserable?

//www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...s-include.html

Note that this study doesn't even consider after-tax income of Ohio middle income families, which surely also have suffered as the Republicans have shifted the tax burden to the sales tax and local real estate taxes, by slashing income taxes on the wealthy and by eliminating the estate tax (I actually supported eliminating the estate tax).

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by JR_C

Unfortunately, it's a 2 party system. So it's unlikely that there would be any better options.

Totally disagree. ANYBODY would be better than a liar and a corrupt , do-nothing, career politician. Washington is broken. The white house needs cleaned out of the Hillary and Busch types. I personally like what Trump is saying, and he is less likely to be bought or influenced by lobbyists.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Totally disagree. ANYBODY would be better than a liar and a corrupt , do-nothing, career politician. Washington is broken. The white house needs cleaned out of the Hillary and Busch types. I personally like what Trump is saying, and he is less likely to be bought or influenced by lobbyists.

Trump is a member of the super rich who has personally benefited greatly by the lax immigration laws and enforcement in the U.S. Low-paid workers in construction and hospitality industries have lined Trump's pockets. Like most Republicans, he wants to control immigration at the southern border, but do nothing about birthright citizenship or workplace enforcement, thereby allowing the super-rich to continue to reap the benefits of low-paid workers in the U.S. Where is the Republican immigration reform law despite years of control of Congress? Where???

He also wants to borrow to continue to increase the U.S. role of being the world's policeman, if not to increase funding for that role.

Trump won't be controlled by the lobbyists, because he buys lobbyists and is their task master.

Yeah, right, let's replace political cronies whose family wealth was achieved in the political game with an admittedly predatory capitalist with little interest in actual deed in the average American family.

I'll repeat that I'm not a fan of Democrats, but those who laud greed-centered and hypocritical and disingenuous Republicans also sicken me.

We don't need a Clinton, Bush, or Trump in the White House IMO.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Trump is a member of the super rich who has personally benefited greatly by the lax immigration laws and enforcement in the U.S. Low-paid workers in construction and hospitality industries have lined Trump's pockets. Like most Republicans, he wants to control immigration at the southern border, but do nothing about birthright citizenship or workplace enforcement, thereby allowing the super-rich to continue to reap the benefits of low-paid workers in the U.S. Where is the Republican immigration reform law despite years of control of Congress? Where???

He also wants to borrow to continue to increase the U.S. role of being the world's policeman, if not to increase funding for that role.

Trump won't be controlled by the lobbyists, because he buys lobbyists and is their task master.

Yeah, right, let's replace political cronies whose family wealth was achieved in the political game with an admittedly predatory capitalist with little interest in actual deed in the average American family.

I'll repeat that I'm not a fan of Democrats, but those who laud greed-centered and hypocritical and disingenuous Republicans also sicken me.

We don't need a Clinton, Bush, or Trump in the White House IMO.

We will have to see who the choices are in the republican party in 6 months... But I know personally, i am sick of the welfare/handout party (democrats). And its refreshing to many americans like myself to hear trump talk without restrictive political correctness... Its time to throw political correctness in the trash where it belongs!

[Zen_master]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Drop in Ohio median income a troubling sign of a have-and-have-not economy: editorial | cleveland.com

Ohio's median family income, according to this report, is 20 percent below the national average.

You do realize the national median income has declined over this period too, don't you? For what it is worth, according to Census Ohio average household income has hovered around 95-98% of national family median income for years. It is a product of the manufacturing-based economy in the state.

Now I'm just stating the facts here, and am not interested in political spin. It is my belief a lot of these forces are well beyond the control of a oen or two term governor. NAFTA sending many manufacturing jobs overseas has a lot to do with it but that is a byproduct of Federal action, not state level policy.

Man, seems a lot of people out there and on these boards are simply looking for confirmation bias rather than objectively seeking answers to the problems that plague us all. If this describes you then your are not helping the masses by buying into the division machine which keeps the political class in power.

[QuilterChick]

Originally Posted by Muffy1

Would you vote for Governor Kasich as President?

Yes,
yes,
and yes.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Zen_master

You do realize the national median income has declined over this period too, don't you? For what it is worth, according to Census Ohio average household income has hovered around 95-98% of national family median income for years. It is a product of the manufacturing-based economy in the state.

Now I'm just stating the facts here, and am not interested in political spin. It is my belief a lot of these forces are well beyond the control of a oen or two term governor. NAFTA sending many manufacturing jobs overseas has a lot to do with it but that is a byproduct of Federal action, not state level policy.

Man, seems a lot of people out there and on these boards are simply looking for confirmation bias rather than objectively seeking answers to the problems that plague us all. If this describes you then your are not helping the masses by buying into the division machine which keeps the political class in power.

Before I respond to your comment, how about a link to the "Census Ohio" information that you claim shows Ohio average household income around 95-98% of the national average?

That would be contradictory to Figure 1 and the other data reported in the analysis that I linked in post 194. However, in post 194, I said that median household income was 20 percent below the national average. I'm not certain how I miscalculated, but the latest 2013 number in the report showed Ohio median household income at 89.33 percent of the national average, or almost 11 percent lower, not 20 percent lower.

Again, that report claims:

<<While the recession caused household incomes to drop across the United States, the decline in Ohio was especially pronounced. Median household income in Ohio roughly kept pace with the U.S. average until about 2007, when the state diverged from the country-wide average in the fallout from the Great Recession. In 2013, the median household income in Ohio was $46,398, while the average for the United States was $51,939.>>

https://www.americanprogressaction.o...-middle-class/

The caption in Figure 1 of the report explicitly shows the source of the data as "Bureau of the Census, Table H-8. Median Household Income by State: 1984 to 2013," and provides a link to the table.

If you look at Figure 1 closely, you'll see that the gap between Ohio and national median household incomes continued to widen during the Kasich administration, despite the recovery in the national manufacturing economy which should have benefited Ohio materially in such a comparison.

This was despite Kasich borrowing heavily from the future with the leveraging of the Ohio Turnpike and JobsOhio. Spending future revenues today should have bolstered the Ohio economy and median household incomes. Of course, if 7 percent of the funds raised went to out-of-state investment bankers, and JobsOhio money is being wasted, while teacher and professor salary increases are lagging behind the national averages (just guessing), you can begin to explain how Ohio didn't benefit in average median income despite the recovery of the national manufacturing economy, and despite the heralded shale boom in Ohio.

If the shale boom provided such excellent jobs, it makes the performance of Ohio in median household income even more disturbing.