[educator1953]

Glad to read that you are okay, nightbird47. You were the one I thought of when I referenced Cushing in my post #93.

Seems that many people down here in my part of the state felt it, too.

[OneDayAttaTime]

Nightbird47,

Which way from town do you live? I was looking at the pictures on FACEBOOK for KUSH 1600 RADIO and notice they also show a number for those with damage to their homes or businesses to call. I didn't link to KUSH since I wasn't sure if that was allowed on here.

More pictures: Photos posted of damage from 5.0 Oklahoma quake | The Wichita Eagle
Articles are on the right of this page: 5.0 magnitude quake hits Cushing, rumbles central Oklahoma | News OK

[in_newengland]

WOW! This earthquake even made the news out here. I hope everyone is okay and that there wasn't much property damage. The news said it was caused by fracking and explained what fracking is. Such a shame.

[OneDayAttaTime]

There has been much confusion by the media saying earthquakes is caused by fracking. A gentleman who has been around it all of his life explained to us that the problem comes not from the fracking but from injecting the water that comes up with the oil back into what are called disposal wells.

He said that even those wells that have been there for years are pulling up water with the oil. Actually a large percentage is water and very small amounts of oil.

"The Corporation Commission in September 2015 ordered two saltwater disposal wells shut in and three others restricted near Cushing after a magnitude-4.1 earthquake in the area."

The gentleman suggested I look at this partial list of 144 products out of 6000 items made from Petroleum
So, it is going to be produced because many of us like to drive or fly or continue to do things we never even knew had to do with oil.

[in_newengland]

Originally Posted by OneDayAttaTime

There has been much confusion by the media saying earthquakes is caused by fracking. A gentleman who has been around it all of his life explained to us that the problem comes not from the fracking but from injecting the water that comes up with the oil back into what are called disposal wells.

He said that even those wells that have been there for years are pulling up water with the oil. Actually a large percentage is water and very small amounts of oil.

"The Corporation Commission in September 2015 ordered two saltwater disposal wells shut in and three others restricted near Cushing after a magnitude-4.1 earthquake in the area."

The gentleman suggested I look at this partial list of 144 products out of 6000 items made from Petroleum
So, it is going to be produced because many of us like to drive or fly or continue to do things we never even knew had to do with oil.

I think the news said something like that too. Something about the water. But it still had to do with fracking or oil.

I wish we weren't so dependent upon oil. There are other technologies that don't need oil.

[nightbird47]

Originally Posted by OneDayAttaTime

Nightbird47,

Which way from town do you live? I was looking at the pictures on FACEBOOK for KUSH 1600 RADIO and notice they also show a number for those with damage to their homes or businesses to call. I didn't link to KUSH since I wasn't sure if that was allowed on here.

More pictures: Photos posted of damage from 5.0 Oklahoma quake | The Wichita Eagle
Articles are on the right of this page: 5.0 magnitude quake hits Cushing, rumbles central Oklahoma | News OK

I live just north of where town is, past the main shopping area where Walmart and such are. Its called North Annex. It's fairly close to the town area. My sil lives even closer and her floors are supported by leveling posts and she said she could tell a lot of them had tumbled.

I got up this afternoon, sat up late waiting for a possiible aftershock, and the street was blocked. The watermain above where my house is crumpled, and they'd been digging out and replacing the old one. They had a news report where you see a big tree, and in the background, and its my tree. I didn't have any damage, and the door still shuts. But with a 86 year old house, every quake is rolling the dice.

Last night, after things had settled, I noticed a whole shelf of hardback books had fallen, and it must have taken a big shake for that. What I think is coming in terms of building is that in areas with all the quakes new construction will have to be built to a standard, if they are doing it right the same one used in California.

I'm actually thinking more about my son wanting to move closer. A friend pointed out that they have quakes in Utah, but at least you stand a chance of building being more to a standard.

[nightbird47]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

WOW! This earthquake even made the news out here. I hope everyone is okay and that there wasn't much property damage. The news said it was caused by fracking and explained what fracking is. Such a shame.

The downtown are may be damaged really badly, but they are just getting in to see. They were busy shutting off gas leaks last night and evacuating from the downtown area. It's still sealed off. I have a couple of stores I enjoy looking through, especially the book store and I hope they are okay. Insurence isn't going to pay for repairs and its not likely that they had quake insurence as its so expensive.

I'm awaiting their tests and to see how many wells get shut. Of course the companies come back and whine that its cutting into their profits and without the injection wells they would shut them, and of course this area's prime income is from them. One of the companies who's wells were shut due to the last quake is appealing, saying what if they don't inject it as deep or use less? They don't care what happens when they drill as long as it makes lots of money. I hope whatever triggered this one gets shut not reduced since a lot of us dodged one this time, but who knows about the next?

[StillwaterTownie]

Here is what State Rep. Cory Williams had to say about the earthquakes. Other than Rep. Morrissette, I don't know of any more legislators voicing public concern.

Impose Moratorium on Saltwater Disposal in Seismically Active Areas,
Ban Wastewater from Other States, Stillwater Lawmaker Recommends

OKLAHOMA CITY (7 November 2016) – A Payne County legislator called again Monday for a moratorium on all saltwater disposal wells in the multicounty “seismic risk zone” identified by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission (OCC).

“Once again I urge the Corporation Commission to impose a moratorium on wastewater injection in disposal wells in Payne, Pawnee, Kay, Noble, Grant, Logan, Oklahoma, and the several other counties that are in the seismically active ‘area of interest’ outlined by the commission,” said Rep. Cory Williams.

The Stillwater Democrat issued his comments in the wake of a magnitude-5.0 earthquake Sunday evening that damaged perhaps four dozen structures in Cushing, site of one of the world’s oil storage hubs where nearby tank farms held 58.5 million barrels of crude oil less than two weeks ago
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Besides the Cushing earthquake, a magnitude-3.7 earthquake was logged Saturday near Pawnee, a 3.1 tremor occurred Sunday afternoon near Perry, and a 2.9 ’quake was reported Monday morning at Nicoma Park. A magnitude-4.3 earthquake was recorded at Luther on Aug. 17, and the state-record magnitude-5.8 temblor occurred at Pawnee on Sept. 3.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recently recommended that Oklahoma oil and gas regulators “consider a moratorium” on oilfield waste disposal in those areas of the state that have been rattled by earthquakes, because volume reductions alone haven’t stopped the swarm of earthquakes plaguing the state.

The EPA recommended the OCC consider a moratorium on injection into the Arbuckle Formation “in high seismically active focus areas,” the federal agency wrote Sept. 22 in its annual review of the Corporation Commission’s regulation of wastewater wells.

More than 6.3 billion barrels (265 billion gallons) of oilpatch saltwater have been injected into Oklahoma disposal wells in the last five years, OCC ledgers show.

Even with the price of oil down in the $40/barrel range, nearly a million barrels of oilfield wastewater are being pumped into injection wells in Oklahoma each day, an Oklahoma Oil and Gas Association executive reported during an interim legislative study Oct. 25 at the State Capitol.

“We need to do more than just pray for divine assistance,” said Williams. “The Good Lord has given us His guidance, but the people who run this state apparently aren’t paying attention.”

Numerous scientific studies “have told us that what we’re doing in this state is extremely dangerous,” Williams said. “We are willfully ignoring the evidence. The peer-reviewed research says that high-volume, high-pressure injection is causing these earthquakes.”

During the legislative study at the Capitol last month, Oklahoma State University professor/hydrogeologist Todd Halihan said the evidence that disposal wells are triggering earthquakes in Oklahoma is “clear and convincing,” contrary to what skeptics claim.

Williams also recommended that the Corporation Commission ban the importation of oilfield wastewater from other states. Last year, 2.44 million barrels (102 million gallons) of oilfield wastewater from Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, Colorado and New Mexico were injected into commercial disposal wells in Oklahoma, OCC records reflect.

“We are making Oklahoma a toxic dumping ground and risking our lives and property from induced seismicity,” Williams said.

“And don’t bother telling me that the federal Interstate Commerce Clause prohibits Oklahoma from importing wastewater from other states,” he said. “The government’s own records indicate that wastewater from five other states is being imported into Oklahoma, but nobody is exporting Oklahoma wastewater to any of those other states,” Williams said.

“If we had done this four years ago, as I originally called for, we would not be staring down the barrel of ever-increasing magnitudes of seismicity – two 5.0 or greater earthquakes in 60 days.”

[MyNameIsBellaMia]

Originally Posted by OneDayAttaTime

There has been much confusion by the media saying earthquakes is caused by fracking. A gentleman who has been around it all of his life explained to us that the problem comes not from the fracking but from injecting the water that comes up with the oil back into what are called disposal wells.

He said that even those wells that have been there for years are pulling up water with the oil. Actually a large percentage is water and very small amounts of oil.

"The Corporation Commission in September 2015 ordered two saltwater disposal wells shut in and three others restricted near Cushing after a magnitude-4.1 earthquake in the area."

The gentleman suggested I look at this partial list of 144 products out of 6000 items made from Petroleum
So, it is going to be produced because many of us like to drive or fly or continue to do things we never even knew had to do with oil.

I've often said I sit and laugh at the fools who sit on computers pecking away at keyboards made of petroleum byproducts whilst babbling and yelping about how bad OIL is.


Even the chairs they set their butts on are probably made from petroleum byproducts.


Silly people.

[OneDayAttaTime]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

I think the news said something like that too. Something about the water. But it still had to do with fracking or oil.

I wish we weren't so dependent upon oil. There are other technologies that don't need oil.

I wish we weren't, either.

Yes, there is water when they are frack but even when there is no fracking going on water is being pulled up from the ground. As long as it is pumping then it is pulling up water with the oil....and most of what it pulls is water.


There is an old well that I know of that has been going since about the 20's or 30s that is still pumping. That means it is still pulling up water and they have to dispose of that saltwater it pulls.