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Old 06-19-2017, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Two words: Pension Costs.
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:35 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Two words: Pension Costs.
It looks like it.

Districts must pay state-mandated pension costs, which are expected to double over the next several years, diverting billions of dollars from classrooms into teacher and other staff retirement accounts.

That means that even though the governor’s proposed education budget of $73.5 billion for the 2017-18 school year includes $2 billion more for schools, more than half of that will be needed for increases in what is owed to teacher and staff pension funds, according the state Legislative Analyst’s Office.

In addition, President Trump has proposed a 13 percent cut to the federal education budget, including the elimination of funding for after-school programs, which covers about 20 percent of costs in many districts.


California schools once again forced to tighten belts, weigh cuts - San Francisco Chronicle
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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I wonder what the reasons are for layoffs in Montebello, LAUSD, Santa Ana, and the 37 other school districts. It can't suddenly be prohibitively expensive to live in all of these cities.

School layoffs planned more than 40 California school districts | 89.3 KPCC
Again: Charter schools.
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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Two words: Pension Costs.
Nope.

Charter schools.

I work in social services and I am in constant connection with teachers and admins in the public school system.

Pension costs don't eat into the district's general budget as much as charter schools have.

The one's who make out like bandits are the CEOs of the charter schools, not the teachers or support staff -- both of whom are grossly underpaid and mistreated by management/admin.

People in the private sector have always maintained a high level of jealousy towards public school employees and this is their way of finally being able to strike out at them.
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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The California state charter school association just received a $15 million grant from the Walton family with the goal of adding 20,000 new charter school students in Los Angeles and 100,000 statewide, the Los Angeles Times reported this week.

Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) already has more charter schools (183) than any other school district in the country and is poised to add many more with the infusion of funds. And the corporate education vultures are already circling, hoping to grab a piece of the carrion.

My niece once asked me why I am so critical of charter schools and I suppose now is as good a time as any to answer her question:

Let’s start with the funding. Why is it that the Waltons have $15 million to give away to private entrepreneurs so they can start private schools funded by taxpayers, but nothing for traditional public schools?

The Waltons are worth $26 billion, according to the latest Forbes 400 list, making them the 10th wealthiest family on the planet. They benefit from some of the lowest personal and corporate tax rates in history, a taxpayer giveaway that not only increases the wealth gap, but starves states of revenue that could be used to improve public schools. Instead, the Waltons can wave their fingers at the “failing” public schools, and appear like generous saviors when they give away a tiny fraction of this wealth to private charters.

Charter schools are often created, funded and run by private corporations with the primary goal of turning a profit, even if that comes at the expense of school safety, supplies, curriculum, pedagogy and teachers’ working conditions. In order to turn a profit, the funding they get from school districts, the state and philanthropies must be greater than their expenditures. In order to make this happen, they generally pay teachers less than district schools pay. However, they also often cut back on academic resources, equipment and infrastructure.

Charter schools receive funding from the districts in which they operate, yet they are allowed to follow different rules than traditional district schools, with less oversight by parents, teachers and community. This sucks money away from districts at a time when they are seeing declining revenues from states and local property taxes. They can (and often do) cherry pick students who they think will perform better on standardized tests to boost their image so they can attract investors and new students. Many push out or block special education students and English Language Learners from enrolling. Traditional public schools must accept all students, regardless of socioeconomic status, ethnicity or physical or mental ability.
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Charter schools are used as a wedge to justify the defunding of traditional public schools. As the state of California and city of Los Angeles continually cut education funding, charter schools continually receive large infusions of cash from billionaires like the Walton Family, Eli Broad and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, making them seem more appealing to parents who are frustrated with the crumbling, underfunded traditional schools. As their children transfer from traditional public schools to charters, the public schools lose even more funding, since their funding comes from the state on a per pupil basis, thus further whittling away at their viability.
Modern School: Why I Hate Charter Schools
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Old 06-20-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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Since they do better than public schools, maybe public schools should follow some of their examples in teaching and what to teach and how to teach?

I went to school in CA from Kindergarten on, and the schools now are dumps when it comes to learning and activities compared to when I went. There are a variety of factors, but the charter schools seem to get it right and public schools do not.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I know it's sacrilege, but might it be possible for those kids and their parents to return from whence they came?
How dare thee offer up actual real solutions.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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How dare thee offer up actual real solutions.
Yep
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wait, they are complaining about PRIVATE contributions?
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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Since they do better than public schools, maybe public schools should follow some of their examples in teaching and what to teach and how to teach?
It has little to do with teaching.

Charter schools only do "better" because they can keep problem students away. (It's a myth that any student can enroll.) Many are supported by for-profit companies and their boards are appointed by charter organizations instead of the public, so there is less accountability. They are also under no obligation to teach to state standards.
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