CDC issues guidelines for Halloween, Day of the Dead, Thanksgiving
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Several of your links are reports of a single super-spreader event: #2, #3, and #5. #1 describes several superspreader events in Mecklenburg County NC, but gives no statistics. #4 from the CDC talks about how to plan events and what activities are low risk, more risk, higher risk and highest risk. It has lots of good information, which I would recommend everyone on this thread read, but no stats that say group events are the main source of spread, or that even discuss restaurants. #6, the SciAm article, is from June. That was eons ago in the world of Covid. It is the only article that declares that Superspreading events drive most of Covid spread, and even they say "As few as 10 percent of infected people may drive a whopping 80 percent of cases in specific types of situations". #7, the NPR article, discusses an experiment done at a simulated concert in Germany, but does not mention restaurants. #8 from the WSJ is behind a paywall, but says that banning mass public events might (their word) slow the pace of spread of coronavirus to a "manageable level" whatever that is, even as shops and factories reopen. Nothing in the two paragraphs I could read said anything about restaurants.
In rebuttal, I have this: https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/ba...tbreak-source/
"Since reopening, bars and restaurants topped most weeks as source of new outbreaks – defined as two or more confirmed cases in the same place within a two-week window." Plus, it says "The trend breaks in September, which may be good or bad news. So far, September data shows school and daycare outbreaks as 22% – the largest source in the state, beating bars and restaurants for the first time."
Plus: https://www.restaurantbusinessonline...ant-covid-risk "Adults who contract COVID-19 are twice as likely as the general population to have eaten at a restaurant in the two weeks beforehand, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said in a report on Friday.
Both indoor and outdoor dining pose a risk of infection because patrons can’t eat or drink with a mask on, the CDC noted. It advised that alternative defenses against coronavirus be considered “to protect customers, employees, and communities.” "
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...ovid-19-spread "Studies today led by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) investigators highlight US transmission patterns of COVID-19 and show that close contact with confirmed cases and eating out at restaurants were linked to an increased likelihood of contracting the novel virus, while children in three Utah daycare centers were more likely to spread the virus to household members than among each other. . . The researchers found adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were almost twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results."
Indoor dining has been linked to increased Covid cases, being outdoors has not. Trick or treat is an outdoor activity involving masks and the ability to distance. If adults can go to bars and restaurants every night of the year, kids can trick or treat on Halloween.
Indoor dining has been linked to increased Covid cases, being outdoors has not. Trick or treat is an outdoor activity involving masks and the ability to distance. If adults can go to bars and restaurants every night of the year, kids can trick or treat on Halloween.
Simple.
According to the CDC, outdoor dining is risky as well.
"Case-patients were more likely to have reported dining at a restaurant (any area designated by the restaurant, including indoor, patio, and outdoor seating) in the 2 weeks preceding illness onset than were control-participants (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] = 2.4; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.5–3.8)."
PLEASE provide some peer-reviewed research, the kind you were squawking about about WRT masks and social distancing on the Current Events Coronavirus thread:
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You haven’t read the studies you asked me to share?
I’m still waiting for the peer reviewed study showing cloth masks and social distancing will save us from Covid.
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If peer reviewed studies are the standard for anything we can do to stop this pandemic then please show some peer reviewed studies proving that social distancing and masking is proven to stop the spread of Covid.
Here’s some info for you. No guarantee that it’s peer reviewed science.
Show us the hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies showing how great cloth masks are. I have looked from the beginning and your claim is simply not true.
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There are not hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies on cloth masks. There is a small handful of studies and they don’t all favor their use either. I wear masks in stores and other businesses but seriously, the evidence is not compelling for cloth masks.
Plus much more.
The CDC, many state health departments and many research universities have said that door to door T or T is a high risk activity. Since you disagree, please provide some peer-reviewed research to substantiate your claim. " "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
― Carl Sagan" https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/503...inary-evidence
Several of your links are reports of a single super-spreader event: #2, #3, and #5. #1 describes several superspreader events in Mecklenburg County NC, but gives no statistics. #4 from the CDC talks about how to plan events and what activities are low risk, more risk, higher risk and highest risk. It has lots of good information, which I would recommend everyone on this thread read, but no stats that say group events are the main source of spread, or that even discuss restaurants. #6, the SciAm article, is from June. That was eons ago in the world of Covid. It is the only article that declares that Superspreading events drive most of Covid spread, and even they say "As few as 10 percent of infected people may drive a whopping 80 percent of cases in specific types of situations". #7, the NPR article, discusses an experiment done at a simulated concert in Germany, but does not mention restaurants. #8 from the WSJ is behind a paywall, but says that banning mass public events might (their word) slow the pace of spread of coronavirus to a "manageable level" whatever that is, even as shops and factories reopen. Nothing in the two paragraphs I could read said anything about restaurants.
In rebuttal, I have this: https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/ba...tbreak-source/
"Since reopening, bars and restaurants topped most weeks as source of new outbreaks – defined as two or more confirmed cases in the same place within a two-week window." Plus, it says "The trend breaks in September, which may be good or bad news. So far, September data shows school and daycare outbreaks as 22% – the largest source in the state, beating bars and restaurants for the first time."
Plus: https://www.restaurantbusinessonline...ant-covid-risk "Adults who contract COVID-19 are twice as likely as the general population to have eaten at a restaurant in the two weeks beforehand, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said in a report on Friday.
Both indoor and outdoor dining pose a risk of infection because patrons can’t eat or drink with a mask on, the CDC noted. It advised that alternative defenses against coronavirus be considered “to protect customers, employees, and communities.” "
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...ovid-19-spread "Studies today led by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) investigators highlight US transmission patterns of COVID-19 and show that close contact with confirmed cases and eating out at restaurants were linked to an increased likelihood of contracting the novel virus, while children in three Utah daycare centers were more likely to spread the virus to household members than among each other. . . The researchers found adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were almost twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results."
I'm sure I can find more from google but this is all I have time for right now.
Why are there always spikes after holiday weekends when people get together in groups and BBQ?
How funny!
1. You realize you just made a good case for NOT having T or T with those links, and especially your last question. There's not much doubt there will be a spike after Halloween, to be followed closely by the post-Thanksgiving spike and then the post-Christmas spike.
2. Both links say that social gatherings are a contributing factor to Covid spread AS WELL AS bars and restaurants.
Katarina, I’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing by digging up posts of mine from other threads that aren’t even related to the topic. It’s seems hostile.
Katarina, I’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing by digging up posts of mine from other threads that aren’t even related to the topic. It’s seems hostile.
To show that you were screeching about needing peer-reviewed studies about masks and social distancing. I did not violate the TOS.
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