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Correct. Anyone who does any activity that is not 100% necessary is a hypocrite for pointing fingers at others.
It is necessary to move one's body and get fresh air, it is not necessary to have company while doing so. As an example.
It is necessary to eat food, it is not necessary that someone else prepare it in a restaurant. Restaurant food is a luxury.
I don't even care if there is an event where everyone purposefully trades snot. There was a big one recently, in fact. And over 30 of them are now paying the price. Our medical systems are not overwhelmed. Everyone has the right to determine their own risk level and act accordingly, and everyone else has the right to stay away from those they know that choose to behave in a risky fashion.
BARS are opening back up in Texas to 50% capacity. If ever there were an unnecessary activity, going to bars is super high on the list.
If adults can do this, kids can get some dang candy.
“Our hospital is getting full,” said Dr. Emily Spivak of University of Utah Health. “Our ICU is getting full. Our ICU is 95% full this morning.”
The state’s daily survey of hospitals shows 73% of intensive care beds in Utah are full. A record 237 people are currently hospitalized with the virus."
So if you're hoping for an ICU bed if you you "determine their own risk level and act accordingly" and make a mistake (!) you might not be so lucky. How are you capable of determining said risk?
You obviously didn't read the article with any kind of intent to learn anything. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE 15 MINUTES OF EXPOSURE. The link says right here: "Certainly, if you're in very close contact with somebody who's shedding a lot of virus, and you happen to get a droplet on your hand and then wipe your nose, that could take far less than 15 minutes" to infect you, says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health." Now what does she know, a virologist, compared to all these posters on CD with a T or T agenda?
"If an infected person were to cough on you while walking past, that would constitute a high-risk interaction – even if it was brief, he (Dr. Joshua Barocas, an infectious disease specialist at Boston University School of Medicine) says." Again, what would an ID doctor know compared to CD posters who have an agenda"
And no, the link did NOT say that "outdoor transmission greatly lowers the risk". It says, in fact, "(w)hile indoor settings are generally higher risk than outdoor ones, the context is key, Rasmussen (the virologist) says." You are totally ignoring the context.
Maybe you've never handed out candy? You answer the door, the kids yell "Trick or Treat", you get your candy bowl out and they pick out their candy, they turn around and leave. The process takes a minute or two at least. If the homeowner has Covid, s/he has just released a lot of coronavirus into the doorway. And for crying out loud, we went over that "cumulative exposure" stuff way back, MT!
Getting a droplet on one’s hand can happen anywhere at anytime. Better stay inside always.
I have been handing out candy for years. Face to face contact is about 10 to 20 seconds at the most.
You sure are digging your heels in on this. Why is this trick or treating a big issue for you when exposure can happen anywhere and anytime one comes into contact with people?
“Our hospital is getting full,” said Dr. Emily Spivak of University of Utah Health. “Our ICU is getting full. Our ICU is 95% full this morning.”
The state’s daily survey of hospitals shows 73% of intensive care beds in Utah are full. A record 237 people are currently hospitalized with the virus."
So if you're hoping for an ICU bed if you you "determine their own risk level and act accordingly" and make a mistake (!) you might not be so lucky. How are you capable of determining said risk?
Moderator cut: deleted Most hospitals are not overwhelmed. If this is a concern for you should should be doing everything in your power to reduce your risk even further and that means no more walks with friends and no more in person shopping.
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Reason: Rude
Getting a droplet on one’s hand can happen anywhere at anytime. Better stay inside always.
I have been handing out candy for years. Face to face contact is about 10 to 20 seconds at the most.
You sure are digging your heels in on this. Why is this trick or treating a big issue for you when exposure can happen anywhere and anytime one comes into contact with people?
How can you hand out candy if you're trick or treating with your kids? The scenario I described in what I am familiar with in 40+ years.
And you are replying. For the nth time, I'm not opposed to the lower-risk Halloween activities. In the past couple of days, the number of cases of Covid is the highest ever in several states. https://www.google.com/search?q=high...w=1770&bih=965
Door to door T or T is a totally recreational activity, unlike grocery shopping. Why should people increase their chances of getting Covid by doing something totally unnecessary?
Moderator cut: deleted Most hospitals are not overwhelmed. If this is a concern for you should should be doing everything in your power to reduce your risk even further and that means no more walks with friends and no more in person shopping.
You have been on my case about taking walks since March:
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You’re walking with friends? That is not advised and is exactly why the rules get tightened up and end up hurting those who are taking precautions.
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It’s not advised to have prolonged contact with people who you do not reside with, even when you maintain a six foot distance. With so many unknowns about this virus, it makes sense to avoid this type of activity with friends for now. People have given up their jobs, businesses, etc in order to protect those who are most vulnerable. Avoiding congregating with non household members even at a distance of six feet is a small sacrifice to make not only for the health of your own high risk household but for the community as a whole. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/...rofessor-says/
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It was not an order but rather a suggestion? I believe it was also suggested that people don’t go on walks with groups friends, yet many still do. Can’t control everyone, hopefully people can relax and remember that.
Practice what you preach. It is certainly a minimal sacrifice to give up T or T door-to-door not only for your own health but for the community as a whole.
Hospitals are becoming overwhelmed with Covid patients: https://www.weau.com/2020/10/10/new-...-covid-spread/
"Health care facilities are becoming overwhelmed in the state as the state continually breaks records for the number of new COVID-19 cases, deaths, increasing the number of patients in hospitals and intensive care units in all regions of the state." (Wisconsin)
https://wpta21.com/2020/10/07/offici...ts-of-indiana/
"INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Health officials are warning about a growing number of COVID-19 illnesses in the Evansville and South Bend areas as new infections and hospitalizations across Indiana are higher than two weeks ago when Republican Gov. Eric Holcomb decided to lift most statewide precaution rules." Indiana
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/ne...260c8bc13.html
"The chief medical officers of both Portneuf Medical Center and Bingham Memorial Hospital recently warned public health officials that their facilities are on the “razor’s edge” of being overwhelmed by COVID-19." Idaho
Just a few examples.
And don't forget to practice what you preach to others.
Addendum: Another hospital getting overwhelmed:
Some more hospitals getting overwhelmed: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/07/u...th-dakota.html North Dakota
"BISMARCK, N.D. — When Tammy Gimbel called to check on her 86-year-old father two weeks ago, he sounded weak. He was rushed to Sanford Medical Center in North Dakota’s capital, where doctors said he had the coronavirus. But all the hospital beds in Bismarck were full, his relatives were told, and the only options were to send him to a hospital hours away in Fargo, or to release him to be monitored by his daughter, who was herself sick with the virus.
Ms. Gimbel and her father hunkered down in a 40-foot camping trailer in her backyard to try to recover. He only got worse." Addendum-the father was later admitted to a hospital and did recover.
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How can you hand out candy if you're trick or treating with your kids? The scenario I described in what I am familiar with in 40+ years.
And you are replying. For the nth time, I'm not opposed to the lower-risk Halloween activities. In the past couple of days, the number of cases of Covid is the highest ever in several states. https://www.google.com/search?q=high...w=1770&bih=965
Door to door T or T is a totally recreational activity, unlike grocery shopping. Why should people increase their chances of getting Covid by doing something totally unnecessary?
Sometimes my husband went with the kids and sometimes I went. For a few years my kids have gone alone. Even when I went with my kids, I handed out candy to Trick or treaters after we got home.
Why do anything fun ever again? The only goal should be staying alive apparently. Quality does not matter.
You have been on my case about taking walks since March:
Practice what you preach. It is certainly a minimal sacrifice to give up T or T door-to-door not only for your own health but for the community as a whole.
Hospitals are becoming overwhelmed with Covid patients: https://www.weau.com/2020/10/10/new-...-covid-spread/
"Health care facilities are becoming overwhelmed in the state as the state continually breaks records for the number of new COVID-19 cases, deaths, increasing the number of patients in hospitals and intensive care units in all regions of the state." (Wisconsin)
https://wpta21.com/2020/10/07/offici...ts-of-indiana/
"INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Health officials are warning about a growing number of COVID-19 illnesses in the Evansville and South Bend areas as new infections and hospitalizations across Indiana are higher than two weeks ago when Republican Gov. Eric Holcomb decided to lift most statewide precaution rules." Indiana
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/ne...260c8bc13.html
"The chief medical officers of both Portneuf Medical Center and Bingham Memorial Hospital recently warned public health officials that their facilities are on the “razor’s edge” of being overwhelmed by COVID-19." Idaho
Just a few examples.
And don't forget to practice what you preach to others.
Addendum: Another hospital getting overwhelmed:
Some more hospitals getting overwhelmed: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/07/u...th-dakota.html North Dakota
"BISMARCK, N.D. — When Tammy Gimbel called to check on her 86-year-old father two weeks ago, he sounded weak. He was rushed to Sanford Medical Center in North Dakota’s capital, where doctors said he had the coronavirus. But all the hospital beds in Bismarck were full, his relatives were told, and the only options were to send him to a hospital hours away in Fargo, or to release him to be monitored by his daughter, who was herself sick with the virus.
Ms. Gimbel and her father hunkered down in a 40-foot camping trailer in her backyard to try to recover. He only got worse." Addendum-the father was later admitted to a hospital and did recover.
It seems this thread has run it’s course. We’re trick or treating no matter what and it’s super low risk no matter what you or the CDC claim. I have been practicing what I preach, thanks though for the advice and thanks for digging up old posts from 7 months ago when we were totally locked down and you were walking with four friends daily while chastising others. I hope you will do the same. Happy Halloween.
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It seems this thread has run it’s course. We’re trick or treating no matter what and it’s super low risk no matter what you or the CDC claim. I have been practicing what I preach, thanks though for the advice and thanks for digging up old posts from 7 months ago when we were totally locked down and you were walking with four friends daily while chastising others. I hope you will do the same. Happy Halloween.
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2. Colorado was never totally locked down, EVER. Here is the order: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/2...r-coronavirus/
"Families will still be able to go outside, including to local parks and outdoor spaces that remain open, and take a walk, run, or bike ride but should continue to practice social distancing by remaining 6 feet away from other people." So I did not violate any law or EO. Quit claiming I did!
I might add that you have fought masks tooth and nail, and campaigned for schools and businesses to reopen. You also said in this thread that covid is not your biggest concern right now.
3. You sure do keep tabs on me, even remembering the number of friends (which happened ONCE). What's your issue with me? Please post it because I'm sick of you constantly reprimanding me for not having done anything wrong.
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It seems this thread has run it’s course. We’re trick or treating no matter what and it’s super low risk no matter what you or the CDC claim. I have been practicing what I preach, thanks though for the advice and thanks for digging up old posts from 7 months ago when we were totally locked down and you were walking with four friends daily while chastising others. I hope you will do the same. Happy Halloween.
Amen to that. Certain people have their minds made up and there won't be any changing of opinions.
I just noticed today a lot of decorations in my area, and many neighbors are handing out candy
We are all doing the "table of candy" idea too... it will be fun.
1. You are not the moderator. It is not up to you to decide if a thread has run its course.
2. Colorado was never totally locked down, EVER. Here is the order: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/2...r-coronavirus/
"Families will still be able to go outside, including to local parks and outdoor spaces that remain open, and take a walk, run, or bike ride but should continue to practice social distancing by remaining 6 feet away from other people." So I did not violate any law or EO. Quit claiming I did!
I might add that you have fought masks tooth and nail, and campaigned for schools and businesses to reopen. You also said in this thread that covid is not your biggest concern right now.
3. You sure do keep tabs on me, even remembering the number of friends (which happened ONCE). What's your issue with me? Please post it because I'm sick of you constantly reprimanding me for not having done anything wrong.
I only remembered how many friends you walked with because you dug up old posts of mine from March and I clicked on one of them and looked at the conversation. I don’t know why me mentioning walks with friends makes you so upset. I really don’t care if you do that. In fact, I think it’s a healthy, worthwhile activity. Never said you violated the law or an EO either. Just saying, if you do that you may want to allow kids to basically do the same.
I do hate mask mandates and find the science surrounding masks to be very questionable and mixed. Apparently the leaders of places like Denmark share my view. In spite of that, I always wear my mask when out. I’ve followed the rules even though I don’t agree with all of them. I advocated for schools to reopen and think they should be more open. Kids mental health matters very much too. I’ve never hidden my views in regards to these things and in fact have even quite outspoken and have no idea what your point is in bringing them up in this thread.
I’m going to put you on ignore and I hope you will put me on ignore and we can peacefully co-exist that way. I sincerely hope you have a good Halloween.
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