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Do you let your daughter read the Bible? More sex and violence in the Bible than any other book ever written. And that book has been responsible for more "grooming" of unsuspecting people than the most liberal schoolteacher.
How ironic. The Bible would never be taught in a public school, even though it is the basis for most of Western culture; art, music, and literature, all owe a tremendous debt to The Bible and to Christianity.
Furthermore, the intent of The Bible differs from the intent of “Bear Town.”
“Bear Town” shows how sports and a masculine centered society result in destroyed lives.
The intent of The Bible is to offer salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. It’s intention is to save lives.
ETA: it’s absolutely preposterous to suggest that The Bible should somehow be free of examples of sin. The Bible explains not only how to free oneself from sin, but also from the consequences of sin, which were willingly accepted by Jesus Christ. Without the sin, there is no need for the grace of salvation.
Being a Christian isn’t about being perfect. It’s about salvation through faith in the One who Is.
Last edited by calgirlinnc; 11-14-2022 at 07:06 PM..
I agree, it seems these books are not great choices for content and literature.
I wonder how it is to have these types of books read today in public schools?
I don't have kids.
I remember reading Steinbeck in high school Lit classes in the mid and late 80s.
As you note, I know time moves on, but how can the books your daughter was given as choices to read better than the classics.
Are any of the classics read at all these days?
I suspect Lit classes are a veiled way to mold kids' thinking and views.
My niece and partner's daughter are of an age with the O.P.'s daughter and are also in honors/AP English at their respective schools. They do still read the classics (pre-20th century and 20th century) as well as moree contemporary works of poetry, fiction, and non-fiction.
Given where my niece goes to school (rural Ohio) and the school which my partner's daughter attends (an affluent school district in suburban Pittsburgh), the curriculum set up by the O.P.'s daughter's teacher wouldn't have flown.
A few of the books might have received approval (the Maya Angelou work in particular, although it would have come with some heavy warnings about its contents so that both students and parents could make an educated decision about reading it), but parents/students most certainly wouldn't have been told to just "deal with it" if they felt that they material was too graphic for them to read. (For both better and at times, for worse, parents have a lot of say in both my niece's and my partner's daughter's school districts.)
I was going to say the same thing. Go to any of the websites for the more exclusive private schools and you will see that they are teaching classic literature. But when you see the reading lists for some (not all) of the public school systems it is appalling how dumbed down the reading levels are and how mature, and if not downright x-rated, the subject matter is.
I can see integrating some well written contemporary literature in with the classics to give a more well rounded education, but in some cases the classics are being outright replaced by porn novels which is crazy.
It's almost like they want a serf class! A poorly educated lower/smaller middle class with downward mobility.
Let's face it, our upper class including politicians have been calling to defund the police while hiring private security for themselves. Likewise, they are pushing woke books while their daring children are in private schools teaching the classics. These same politicians have done away with high school vocational training pushing lower/middle class kids into massive student loans. At the same time, their darlings are immediately accepted to the ivy league without the struggle paying off student loans either.
We are in a world of rules For thee but not for me!
Last edited by YorktownGal; 11-15-2022 at 07:48 AM..
It's almost like they want a serf class! A poorly educated lower/smaller middle class with downward mobility.
Let's face it, our upper class including politicians have been calling to defund the police while hiring private security for themselves. Likewise, they are pushing woke books while their daring children are in private schools teaching the classics. These same politicians have done away with high school vocational training pushing lower/middle class kids into massive student loans. At the same time, their darlings are immediately accepted to the ivy league without the struggle paying off student loans either.
We are in a world of rules For thee but not for me!
Vocational programs are alive and well in most schools. In fact, there are many grants available and trades are promoted. Which specific woke books are you seeing being thrust upon students?
calgirlinnc I understand that you're upset and your daughter is upset by the her reading assignment and the books listed. But there is another side to this as well.
During the past decade at higher education but also high school, there's been a new culture of trigger warnings, safe spaces, and general coddling from ideas and words that are controversial. This has caused students to become more fragile and over-protected.
While a good parent does not want their child to be hurt and wants to protect them from all harm, things have gone too far in protecting the children. Kids won't grow if parents keep them from being exposed to things that challenge them. By coddling them and treating even teens as young children, parents risk hurting their future prospects and making it more difficult for them to succeed in the adult world.
Here's a good book called "The Coddling Of The American Mind" which goes into more detail with this.
How ironic. The Bible would never be taught in a public school, even though it is the basis for most of Western culture; art, music, and literature, all owe a tremendous debt to The Bible and to Christianity.
Furthermore, the intent of The Bible differs from the intent of “Bear Town.”
“Bear Town” shows how sports and a masculine centered society result in destroyed lives.
The intent of The Bible is to offer salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. It’s intention is to save lives.
ETA: it’s absolutely preposterous to suggest that The Bible should somehow be free of examples of sin. The Bible explains not only how to free oneself from sin, but also from the consequences of sin, which were willingly accepted by Jesus Christ. Without the sin, there is no need for the grace of salvation.
Being a Christian isn’t about being perfect. It’s about salvation through faith in the One who Is.
Tell me you've never read the Song of Solomon without saying you've never read the Song of Solomon.
This is the stated goal of my daughter’s English class:
“Equity in English:
We will work to create an educational environment in which all students and staff understand and respect the racial and cultural diversity and interdependence of members of our society. This is accomplished through affirming the culture, history, and contributions of all people, challenging and eliminating racism, prejudice, bigotry, discrimination and stereotyping based on race, valuing multiple cultural perspectives, and providing all students with opportunities to “see themselves” in the educational environment in positive ways and on a continuing basis.”
Her class is not about literature, writing, reading, grammar, the history of novels, poetry or plays, but about CRT and intersectionality and all the current buzzwords.
How do you know? It's possible to include all those things. It sounds like the teacher probably is doing that, via the medium of narratives involving diverse elements of society.
I don't know hos NC's public school education is, but the West Coast public schools haven't taught grammar in over 40 years. California AFAIK never has, unless it was 100 years ago or so, that it did. I've never heard or seen the history of novels taught in any "English" class in any grade, either. You have very high, and some would say--unrealistic, expectations of a public school system, or any school system.
calgirlinnc I understand that you're upset and your daughter is upset by the her reading assignment and the books listed. But there is another side to this as well.
During the past decade at higher education but also high school, there's been a new culture of trigger warnings, safe spaces, and general coddling from ideas and words that are controversial. This has caused students to become more fragile and over-protected.
While a good parent does not want their child to be hurt and wants to protect them from all harm, things have gone too far in protecting the children. Kids won't grow if parents keep them from being exposed to things that challenge them. By coddling them and treating even teens as young children, parents risk hurting their future prospects and making it more difficult for them to succeed in the adult world.
Here's a good book called "The Coddling Of The American Mind" which goes into more detail with this.
Again, please explain to me how jokes about oral sex are needed in assigned HS literature.
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How do you know? It's possible to include all those things. It sounds like the teacher probably is doing that, via the medium of narratives involving diverse elements of society.
I don't know hos NC's public school education is, but the West Coast public schools haven't taught grammar in over 40 years. California AFAIK never has, unless it was 100 years ago or so, that it did. I've never heard or seen the history of novels taught in any "English" class in any grade, either. You have very high, and some would say--unrealistic, expectations of a public school system, or any school system.
I know because I’ve talked to my daughter.
I was taught grammar in AP Composition in California in 1985, which yes is a million years ago.
We no longer live in NC.
My expectations are not too high. Most parents’ expectations are not high enough.
Last edited by calgirlinnc; 11-15-2022 at 08:43 PM..
Tell me you've never read the Song of Solomon without saying you've never read the Song of Solomon.
Please provide information as to where this is being taught in an American public high school.
I’ll wait.
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