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Old 09-29-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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Human race will cease to exist in near future anyway because of Fermi paradox. Technologically advanced civilizations don't last long

Life leads to death. Conception leads to life. Parents are responsible for conception.
Therefore parents are murderers of their children.
To prevent further murders whole humanity should be sterilized
Exhibit A.
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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If someone doesn't want kids it's selfish to bring children into the world...so, no, being child-free is NOT selfish.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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The bodies of child free people are NOT yours you have no right to force them to have children
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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Or we don't focus on failure as if that's the only outcome.

Although you say it's "gambling" you never call out the wins, just the losses. Interesting.
The parent has the right to take risks with his own life. He doesn't have the right to take risks with lives of innocent children who haven't consented it. It's immoral. To take a risk you need a consent.
If something goes wrong its the children who have to pay the price of parents' gamble.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:56 AM
 
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Wrong. We do genetic counseling, genetic testing, ultrasounds, prenatal screening because we do care. There are a lot of things we don't care about, but that's not one of them.
Once more, everything in life is unpredictable. The parent is aware of the unpredictability of events of life and still choose to procreate. It's impossible to predict if children will suffer in some point of their lives and regret being born and parents know it.
Parents consider their own desires primarily at the cost of potentially imposing a life of misery on their children to have self-gratification. This is profound selfishness. You can deny it, but having children is one of the most selfish decisions one can make, if not the more.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:09 AM
 
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Human race will cease to exist in near future anyway because of Fermi paradox. Technologically advanced civilizations don't last long

Life leads to death. Conception leads to life. Parents are responsible for conception.
Therefore parents are murderers of their children.
To prevent further murders whole humanity should be sterilized
Plus life leads to inevitable suffering. We are born, suffer and die for no reason at all. Parents are criminals.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:16 AM
 
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Once more, everything in life is unpredictable. The parent is aware of the unpredictability of events of life and still choose to procreate. It's impossible to predict if children will suffer in some point of their lives and regret being born and parents know it.
Parents consider their own desires primarily at the cost of potentially imposing a life of misery on their children to have self-gratification. This is profound selfishness. You can deny it, but having children is one of the most selfish decisions one can make, if not the more.
Everything is not unpredictable and I absolutely have right to make these decisions for my child. Finally, it is not you who gets to decide what is and is not moral.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Utica, NY
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Plus life leads to inevitable suffering. We are born, suffer and die for no reason at all. Parents are criminals.
That's taking it too far.

It's only selfish when parents who will not and cannot support that child either emotionally or financially have children. Another selfish notion some parents have is they have children so that their children can take care of them when they get old. This is an incredibly selfish burden to place on a human being who had no choice in being born. As long as a parent can meet the child's needs, I don't see that as selfish in any way, just as opting not to have children isn't selfish either.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:20 AM
 
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Plus life leads to inevitable suffering. We are born, suffer and die for no reason at all. Parents are criminals.
Your parents failed you and it does make the case that people should consider long and hard before they have children.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:33 AM
 
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Everything is not unpredictable and I absolutely have right to make these decisions for my child. Finally, it is not you who gets to decide what is and is not moral.
There are no guarantees in life. Stop playing God.
Parents have no right to gamble at the cost of harming. The "rights" of the potential children come first.

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