Goodbye, Coyotes? (Phoenix, Glendale, Scottsdale: lawyers, buyer, restaurant)

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by asufan

Not sure this is true at all. The majority of current development in housing and jobs are in the East Valley, and it is creeping further East past the Gateway Airport and into a huge planning area. It will be a looong time before the West Valley gets there. The pink area is where East Valley growth is going to be and it's a huge area being planned. It is way out there but they are starting to get employment around the airport such as Apple and I have a feeling this area will be hotter than Buckeye and Surprise due to the airport and employment growth.

We'll see who "wins" in the end. Seems there's plenty of growth to go around.

West Valley leads future residential growth; poised for commercial development - Independent Newspaper - West Valley

Besides the big growth in the west valley according to the 2010 census numbers, it does mention the area in the far southeast valley that you outlined in your post.

Census data: Arizona's growth driven by Phoenix, West Valley

[asufan]

Originally Posted by stevek64

We'll see who "wins" in the end. Seems there's plenty of growth to go around.

West Valley leads future residential growth; poised for commercial development - Independent Newspaper - West Valley

Besides the big growth in the west valley according to the 2010 census numbers, it does mention the area in the far southeast valley that you outlined in your post.

Census data: Arizona's growth driven by Phoenix, West Valley

Yeah I'm paid by clients for my opinion on Real Estate, housing and development just like that guy apparently is, difference is he is writing for a West Valley free paper like the pennysaver. I just have a different opinion than him and have not seen any evidence of the West Valley getting any quality jobs. If we start seeing the West side getting things like Intel, etc (and they could), then I could see growth shifting. I think at the very least it will be neck and neck between those two areas, I don't see the West Valley leading growth far and away for a long time. Regardless, the 101 price/pima corridor is the hot area right now for good jobs and housing demand, therefore putting a stadium somewhere between there and downtown phx would be ideal IMO.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by asufan

Yeah I'm paid by clients for my opinion on Real Estate, housing and development just like that guy apparently is, difference is he is writing for a West Valley free paper like the pennysaver. I just have a different opinion than him and have not seen any evidence of the West Valley getting any quality jobs. If we start seeing the West side getting things like Intel, etc (and they could), then I could see growth shifting. I think at the very least it will be neck and neck between those two areas, I don't see the West Valley leading growth far and away for a long time. Regardless, the 101 price/pima corridor is the hot area right now for good jobs and housing demand, therefore putting a stadium somewhere between there and downtown phx would be ideal IMO.

Putting a stadium in Seattle would be ideal, IMO. Hockey has no future here.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Putting a stadium in Seattle would be ideal, IMO. Hockey has no future here.

Agreed. Except collegiate hockey I still remember some Coyote's reps going around the Pier 1 in Ahwatukee several years ago trying to get someone to take the free tickets. It was a lot of work.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by asufan

Agreed. Except collegiate hockey I still remember some Coyote's reps going around the Pier 1 in Ahwatukee several years ago trying to get someone to take the free tickets. It was a lot of work.

You may be right, because it would be affordable. I used to go to RoadRunners games. We frequently had office parties at those games too. Doing that with the NHL games would be out of the question, I think. Hockey, like all the rest, is becoming a sport for the hedge fund managers. ASU hockey could catch on for people who have to have the ice fix on a budget.

[Java Jolt]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

They are where they are because no other city wanted them enough to pay what Glendale did. Those places still don't want them with the kind of terms it would take to guarantee the investors the kind of return they want for the lack of investment they intend and the absent fan base. Hockey in Phoenix is just a dumb idea no matter where it is played. I have lived here over 40 years and have never heard anyone discussing our hockey prospects this year. Cardinals, Suns, Dbacks yes. Hockey, never. Men's figure skating gets more attention in the sports bars. Glendale should have cut their losses years ago and no Phoenix area city should be crazy enough to think they can make this work without mining the taxpayers for it.

Well-written.

NHL just doesn't have a huge following in the sunbelt, the Coyotes would be better off moving to Canada or to a northern city lacking a hockey team.

Glendale's loss could be another city's gain, and it was bound to be a losing deal the way Glendale handled everything.

[jdahunt]

Originally Posted by stevek64

I agree.

And I don't think taxpayers should be involved in the stadium building business.

Taxpayers on the hook for stadium costs

Tax payers shouldn't be on the hook for any dealings where gov officials are picking winners and losers....whats wrong with if its is a good idea it will attract investors....that also includes all the 100's of wasted billions in the so called green energy scam.

I would love to see a national law making it illegal for any city, state of federal group to provide tax payer money for any private held entities....its lunacy to pay a business to do anything...its that authority where elected officials get their power and money making opportunities....using tax payer dollars.

You can see almost every nationally elected figure enriching themselves either while they are in office or shortly after leaving.....and yet we tolerate it.

[Jennifer2020]

The Coyotes will win the 200 million lawsuit , because if something was even wrong, you go to court and let the judges decide if the contract is illegal , Glendale's Mayor & council took the law in there own hands and broke the contract
they are not the judge. Since Phoenix is going to build a new Arena for the Suns now they will have a 2nd team and
Coyotes can play in US Airways Center until there arena is done, Glendale is in BIG BIG TROUBLE , 200 million for the lawsuit
10's & 10's million in legal costs. Lost sales tax. Westgate will be a ghost town. Also Glendale has bad relationship with the
Cardinals & NFL. There's now some talk of Tempe building a new Stadium in Tempe and try to lure the Cardinals
it's everywhere Social media, TV, Radio of what Glendale's Mayor & Council did to the Coyotes and there's like 99.9999 % support for Coyotes , 1000's & 1000's of people are saying they are going to boycott Glendale's stores & restaurant,
pretty much it's the World VS Glendale's mayor & council

[Wally Sconce]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

Well-written.

NHL just doesn't have a huge following in the sunbelt, the Coyotes would be better off moving to Canada or to a northern city lacking a hockey team.

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Ducks, Sharks and Kings do just fine. Got nothing to do with the sun.

[Java Jolt]

Originally Posted by jdahunt

Tax payers shouldn't be on the hook for any dealings where gov officials are picking winners and losers....whats wrong with if its is a good idea it will attract investors....that also includes all the 100's of wasted billions in the so called green energy scam.

I would love to see a national law making it illegal for any city, state of federal group to provide tax payer money for any private held entities....its lunacy to pay a business to do anything...its that authority where elected officials get their power and money making opportunities....using tax payer dollars.

You can see almost every nationally elected figure enriching themselves either while they are in office or shortly after leaving.....and yet we tolerate it.

I totally agree with you on these points.

I'm not a conservative, in fact I'm a registered democrat but I'm staunchly opposed to tax money paying for sports while basic services like schools, transportation, police, and libraries go underfunded.

If NHL can't survive in Glendale the team should find a new city where a large fanbase can support the franchise without the municipality, the county, or the state-province providing the funding.

I don't think the Coyotes would be any better off moving back downtown or anywhere else in the valley, hockey doesn't draw a large enough attendance here.

The small Michigan town where I'm from probably has more hockey fans than the entire metropolitan Phoenix area does.