Phoenix metro is getting too big IMO (Tempe: apartments, houses)

[thinkalot]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I don't consider 30-50 minutes a reasonable commute, that's why I moved to the city

Too bad more don't do what you did. What kind of life is spending that much time in a car?

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by thinkalot

Too bad more don't do what you did. What kind of life is spending that much time in a car?

Living in Central Phoenix is great. Especially with the Rail.

Close to an hour in a car is nonsense, also unhealthy.

[AZ_Rookie]

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Originally Posted by new2colo

If people would stop getting into stupid accidents, craning their nosy necks at every stopped car on the shoulder, messing up traffic flow by weaving in and out of bumper to bumper traffic, and driving like they are on the verge of death from exhaustion during the afternoon commute, traffic here might actually flow better.

^^^ This in spades...

A vehicle collision 30 minutes prior - with all involved vehicles to the right shoulder - causing traffic in all lanes from rubber-necking drives me nuts!

I hope Phoenix doesnt have the 30 mph goofs with their face buried in cell phone with open lane in front for 1/4 mile... That drives me nuts too!

You are spot on with the reason for much of the traffic... You can move a lot of vehicles through any metro at a reasonable pace - so long as they all pay attention to driving and not the distractions.

One thing I love about Phoenix drivers (from what I've experienced) - is they (generally) drive with a purpose. Places to be & things to do, and lollygagging on roadways isn't a part of the plan. Love it! But it only takes one or two goofs every half mile to screw it up for hundreds of motorists...

From my experience - Phoenix is better than most - I just wish turn signals were used more often

[AZ_Rookie]

Originally Posted by thinkalot

Too bad more don't do what you did. What kind of life is spending that much time in a car?

Depends on how far you're going...

What kind of life is living on top of each other?... Everything is relative.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by AZ_Rookie

Depends on how far you're going...

What kind of life is living on top of each other?... Everything is relative.

Dense city living is going to be the way of the future, the sprawled out suburbs with single family homes and car dependency is unsustainable, it took huge gov't subsidies to build the suburbs of this country, the homes, the roads, the plumbing/sewers, and the utility lines. That is much more expensive per block with low density, and is going to have to go away at some point.

[Java Jolt]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Haven't heard this one before

I'm guessing it's a troll judging by a brief glance of its other postings.

[Java Jolt]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Dense city living is going to be the way of the future, the sprawled out suburbs with single family homes and car dependency is unsustainable, it took huge gov't subsidies to build the suburbs of this country, the homes, the roads, the plumbing/sewers, and the utility lines. That is much more expensive per block with low density, and is going to have to go away at some point.

Dense city living has become more stylish for singles but the suburban home is still the preferred residence for most families and will be for a long time to come.

It's always better to live closer to work but I can't imagine a family with children and pets wanting to live in a small dwelling in a crowded part of the city with no backyard.

Many suburban homes are newer, more energy efficient, and require less repair-remodel than the older dwellings that tend to be found in the denser urban areas. For people who have had unfortunate dealings with contractors this can make a big difference.

[AZ_Rookie]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Dense city living is going to be the way of the future, the sprawled out suburbs with single family homes and car dependency is unsustainable, it took huge gov't subsidies to build the suburbs of this country, the homes, the roads, the plumbing/sewers, and the utility lines. That is much more expensive per block with low density, and is going to have to go away at some point.

We can agree to disagree... The difference between our views however, is there is no indication that suburbs are going away... Every big city with land around it is sprawling - and it's not stopping.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

Dense city living has become more stylish for singles but the suburban home is still the preferred residence for most families and will be for a long time to come.

It's always better to live closer to work but I can't imagine a family with children and pets wanting to live in a small dwelling in a crowded part of the city with no backyard.

Many suburban homes are newer, more energy efficient, and require less repair-remodel than the older dwellings that tend to be found in the denser urban areas. For people who have had unfortunate dealings with contractors this can make a big difference.

To people who prefer single family homes, their wants aren't necessarily in line with whats needed, sprawl and sfh are only going to continue to go up in cost as land gets more expensive, unless we see some sort of exodus, and demand drops

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by AZ_Rookie

We can agree to disagree... The difference between our views however, is there is no indication that suburbs are going away... Every big city with land around it is sprawling - and it's not stopping.

That is because people still supidly semand single family homes, again they are a much poorer use of resources, and require more infastrucure $/resident than an apartment or condo tower, plus they render public transportation basically impossible and force people to use cars