11-10-2017, 12:33 PM
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Even if my fiance didn't have her car, I could still do it. My work and apartment are both on the rail, hence why I use it. And living downtown, there are enough things on the light rail as well as within walking distance that I can get by. Even the bus fills in holes.
How do you grocery shop if you were to have no car and only light rail access?
What about going to the movies? Or a Cards game? Or the lakes? Or a friend's house out in the burbs?
11-10-2017, 01:14 PM
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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How do you grocery shop if you were to have no car and only light rail access?
What about going to the movies? Or a Cards game? Or the lakes? Or a friend's house out in the burbs?
I'll do one at a time
Groceries? Until the new Fry's opens downtown, I can either take the 7 bus to the Safeway at 3rd St&McDowell; do the 16 bus to the Target at 16th St& Camelback or take the light rail to the Fry's at 7th Ave&Camelback
Movie? AMC Arizona Center 24 is within walking distance of my apartment
Cards game, would take light rail to Glendale Ave, then the 70 bus the rest of the way
Lakes? Not interested, not an outdoorsy type.
Friends house in burbs? Not an issue for me, but could do an occasional Uber. Would only apply to weekends, all I do M-F is work and sleep
11-10-2017, 01:48 PM
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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I'll do one at a time
You just illustrated my point. You have to wait and then pay for a ride if you ever need to go anywhere that isn't close to the light rail.
Those were just a few examples. I don't see how one could ever live in PHX without a car, especially those who enjoy outdoor activities like me.
11-10-2017, 02:04 PM
Location: PHX -> ATL
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I'll do one at a time
Safeway I know if you spend at least $150 you get free delivery. But I think you have to be in a certain radius from Safeway, that I can't remember.
Uber is significantly cheaper than owning a car if you are only going to use it occasionally, I know in some other cities people use Uber to commute and that is more expensive than owning a car, but in most cases an occasional Uber is still going to be cheaper.
11-10-2017, 02:06 PM
Location: Inside the 101
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My family consolidated from two cars to one several years ago. Light rail was a big part of why we were able to do that. I enjoy regular outdoor activities and therefore would not want to go without a car at all. Nevertheless, for the person who does those things only a few times a year, occasional taxi rides or rental cars would be cheaper than owning a car.
Back to the OP's original inquiry, I just noticed this ranking of metro areas by jobs accessible via public transit. Phoenix is not among the top 10 cities by that metric, but it is among the 10 most-improved cities. In other words, things are moving in the direction of less car dependence even as the metro area continues to grow.
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/11/...ransit-riders/
11-10-2017, 03:33 PM
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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You just illustrated my point. You have to wait and then pay for a ride if you ever need to go anywhere that isn't close to the light rail.
How did I illustrate your point? It's only a problem if you need instant gratification, I don't need to be somewhere in 5 mins
11-10-2017, 11:31 PM
Location: Avondale and Tempe, Arizona
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How did I illustrate your point? It's only a problem if you need instant gratification, I don't need to be somewhere in 5 mins
During heavy traffic it can be faster to use the transit system especially light rail.
Having a car is convenient but it can be expensive to maintain and it's not always faster travel.
11-11-2017, 07:39 AM
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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During heavy traffic it can be faster to use the transit system especially light rail.
I'm in the process of selling my car to a co-worker without replacing it, that will save me $550/month (car payment plus insurance), not counting all the other expenses
11-11-2017, 08:11 AM
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You just illustrated my point. You have to wait and then pay for a ride if you ever need to go anywhere that isn't close to the light rail.
Easy actually, south Mountain is literally within pedal distance of downtown Tempe and Phoenix, I’ve done it more than a few times. Firebird doesn’t sound like much of a cyclist but it’s fairly easy for me to beat my drive time on the bike and let’s be real commuting is the biggest daily event most of us deal with daily. The Cards game? I went on Thur via Uber along with 100’s of others, we were dropped off closer to the stadium than most who drove and parked as far as American Furniture Warehouse on the other side of the 101. Getting out was much faster too with cars drivers waiting for me in the pickup area.
Not owning a car doesn’t mean you can’t easily access one, zip car is pretty easy to snag for a weekend trip or a day trip. Even in the most urban cities people grab cars to get away, I used an hourly car service when in SF and took a day trip along the coast so many people do it there’s an amazing selection of cars to drive, I took a brand new Cadillac.
Grocery shopping is also really easy on a bike, it’s perfect for hitting the farmers markets on weekends too. The expanding bike path network is also a huge benefit, looking forward to Phoenix developing the grand canal path next from Tempe to the West Side. Tempe is setup better for cyclists but Phoenix is improving rapidly.
What is it you NEED your own car for every day if you have an alternative commute figured out? I understand people with young kids needing a car but we aren’t all in that category. If not driving is a goal it’s only getting easier to do here. Downtown Tempe is adding a grocery store too.
11-11-2017, 09:27 AM
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I'm in the process of selling my car to a co-worker without replacing it, that will save me $550/month (car payment plus insurance), not counting all the other expenses
All my live I've been a commuter on subways and trains. Here in Fl a car is a must. When I live in Phoenix, I hope I can ditch one of the cars. I saw that midtown Phoenix has a walk score of 94%. That is pretty good to me.
My only thing is to be able to get a job close to the light rail. If I do that, then one car in the family is sufficient. I am crossing my fingers.
Congrats on getting rid of your vehicle! See you on the rail!
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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