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Old 04-26-2019, 07:22 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AZ Manager View Post
Sorry, downtown is SLIGHTLY safer than Maryvale, congratulations! Downtown Phoenix is a **** hole and it has been for decades. I grew up down there and we moved far north to escape the high crime at the end of the 7th grade (summer '99) after our 3rd break in in 5 years except that time they shot and killed our dog and still had enough time to take everything of value in the middle of the day. Other than the light rail, not much has really changed. The city center is dead outside of the 9-5 business hours, ignoring all the people leaving to go home, and crime is MUCH higher than the suburbs and significantly higher than national averages. Hell downtown Phoenix is much higher than Phoenix as a whole.

https://imgur.com/a/pJaXpiQ

Phoenix:
Phoenix violent crime is 37.5. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix property crime is 52.8. (The US average is 35.4)

Downtown:
Phoenix (zip 85003) violent crime is 55.6. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85003) property crime is 67.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85004) violent crime is 61.4. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85004) property crime is 70.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Maryvale:
Phoenix (zip 85033) violent crime is 64.7. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85033) property crime is 72.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85031) violent crime is 70.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85031) property crime is 76.9. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85035) violent crime is 70.1. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85035) property crime is 76.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Surrounding Cities:
Scottsdale violent crime is 11.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Scottsdale property crime is 35.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Tempe violent crime is 26.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Tempe property crime is 62.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Mesa violent crime is 19.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Mesa property crime is 37.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Chandler violent crime is 13.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Chandler property crime is 34.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Glendale violent crime is 27.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Glendale property crime is 72.5. (The US average is 35.4)

Peoria violent crime is 16.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Peoria property crime is 32.0. (The US average is 35.4)

Surprise violent crime is 8.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Surprise property crime is 27.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Lets go ahead and ignore the crime; the schools are some of the worst in the state, Central HS is a 3 on greatschools. Below is the job stats for Phoenix, IT is at 2% which is below the national average. All income metrics are below the national average, except per cap and family median in 85003 (look at that public admin %), and construction is still above the national average. The only time construction jobs in Phoenix change is when you look down into the specific zip codes where you see construction go down and "public admin" goes WAY up, and even then IT jobs are barely higher than national averages. What you are seeing isn't downtown Phoenix attracting people/businesses (or even improving). What has been happening, for decades now, is families (especially with kids) are escaping the hellscape that is downtown seeking better... everything really, to raise their kids. Real improvements all around!...

https://imgur.com/a/EDY9HpY
Man if you’re scared of DT Phoenix (which is more boring than scary) then there aren’t many safe places in this world for you.

 
Old 04-26-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AZ Manager View Post
Sorry, downtown is SLIGHTLY safer than Maryvale, congratulations! Downtown Phoenix is a **** hole and it has been for decades. I grew up down there and we moved far north to escape the high crime at the end of the 7th grade (summer '99) after our 3rd break in in 5 years except that time they shot and killed our dog and still had enough time to take everything of value in the middle of the day. Other than the light rail, not much has really changed. The city center is dead outside of the 9-5 business hours, ignoring all the people leaving to go home, and crime is MUCH higher than the suburbs and significantly higher than national averages. Hell downtown Phoenix is much higher than Phoenix as a whole.

https://imgur.com/a/pJaXpiQ

Phoenix:
Phoenix violent crime is 37.5. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix property crime is 52.8. (The US average is 35.4)

Downtown:
Phoenix (zip 85003) violent crime is 55.6. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85003) property crime is 67.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85004) violent crime is 61.4. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85004) property crime is 70.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Maryvale:
Phoenix (zip 85033) violent crime is 64.7. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85033) property crime is 72.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85031) violent crime is 70.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85031) property crime is 76.9. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85035) violent crime is 70.1. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85035) property crime is 76.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Surrounding Cities:
Scottsdale violent crime is 11.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Scottsdale property crime is 35.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Tempe violent crime is 26.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Tempe property crime is 62.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Mesa violent crime is 19.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Mesa property crime is 37.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Chandler violent crime is 13.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Chandler property crime is 34.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Glendale violent crime is 27.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Glendale property crime is 72.5. (The US average is 35.4)

Peoria violent crime is 16.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Peoria property crime is 32.0. (The US average is 35.4)

Surprise violent crime is 8.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Surprise property crime is 27.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Lets go ahead and ignore the crime; the schools are some of the worst in the state, Central HS is a 3 on greatschools. Below is the job stats for Phoenix, IT is at 2% which is below the national average. All income metrics are below the national average, except per cap and family median in 85003 (look at that public admin %), and construction is still above the national average. The only time construction jobs in Phoenix change is when you look down into the specific zip codes where you see construction go down and "public admin" goes WAY up, and even then IT jobs are barely higher than national averages. What you are seeing isn't downtown Phoenix attracting people/businesses (or even improving). What has been happening, for decades now, is families (especially with kids) are escaping the hellscape that is downtown seeking better... everything really, to raise their kids. Real improvements all around!...

https://imgur.com/a/EDY9HpY
Man if you’re scared of DT Phoenix (which is more boring than scary) then there aren’t many safe places in this world for you. Also 1999 DT Phoenix is very different than 2019 DT Phoenix.

Your Per Capita numbers are well taken, but you’re comparing a suburban layout with an urban layout, which is denser and more heavily trafficked. You’re also ignoring underreporting which is prevalent in predominantly Hispanic areas (they don’t call the cops) like Maryvale.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 07:32 AM
 
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Purple in my opinion. I'm one of those that recently moved from Southern California, and enjoy my house and life in AZ. I hope certain laws i.e. open carry etc etc do not change.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Reputation: 27675
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Originally Posted by Voebe View Post
I heard some political type say that donations to the Republican party (not sure if this was Phoenix or all Arizona) were the lowest in twenty years.
A politician that I am sure you heard of told me people won't give to the party but continue to give to the candidates. Party donations have been dropping for years from what they said.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:53 AM
 
9,196 posts, read 16,649,426 times
Reputation: 11328
Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ Manager View Post
Sorry, downtown is SLIGHTLY safer than Maryvale, congratulations! Downtown Phoenix is a **** hole and it has been for decades. I grew up down there and we moved far north to escape the high crime at the end of the 7th grade (summer '99) after our 3rd break in in 5 years except that time they shot and killed our dog and still had enough time to take everything of value in the middle of the day. Other than the light rail, not much has really changed. The city center is dead outside of the 9-5 business hours, ignoring all the people leaving to go home, and crime is MUCH higher than the suburbs and significantly higher than national averages. Hell downtown Phoenix is much higher than Phoenix as a whole.

https://imgur.com/a/pJaXpiQ

Phoenix:
Phoenix violent crime is 37.5. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix property crime is 52.8. (The US average is 35.4)

Downtown:
Phoenix (zip 85003) violent crime is 55.6. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85003) property crime is 67.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85004) violent crime is 61.4. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85004) property crime is 70.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Maryvale:
Phoenix (zip 85033) violent crime is 64.7. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85033) property crime is 72.4. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85031) violent crime is 70.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85031) property crime is 76.9. (The US average is 35.4)

Phoenix (zip 85035) violent crime is 70.1. (The US average is 22.7)
Phoenix (zip 85035) property crime is 76.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Surrounding Cities:
Scottsdale violent crime is 11.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Scottsdale property crime is 35.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Tempe violent crime is 26.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Tempe property crime is 62.7. (The US average is 35.4)

Mesa violent crime is 19.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Mesa property crime is 37.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Chandler violent crime is 13.2. (The US average is 22.7)
Chandler property crime is 34.1. (The US average is 35.4)

Glendale violent crime is 27.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Glendale property crime is 72.5. (The US average is 35.4)

Peoria violent crime is 16.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Peoria property crime is 32.0. (The US average is 35.4)

Surprise violent crime is 8.0. (The US average is 22.7)
Surprise property crime is 27.6. (The US average is 35.4)

Lets go ahead and ignore the crime; the schools are some of the worst in the state, Central HS is a 3 on greatschools. Below is the job stats for Phoenix, IT is at 2% which is below the national average. All income metrics are below the national average, except per cap and family median in 85003 (look at that public admin %), and construction is still above the national average. The only time construction jobs in Phoenix change is when you look down into the specific zip codes where you see construction go down and "public admin" goes WAY up, and even then IT jobs are barely higher than national averages. What you are seeing isn't downtown Phoenix attracting people/businesses (or even improving). What has been happening, for decades now, is families (especially with kids) are escaping the hellscape that is downtown seeking better... everything really, to raise their kids. Real improvements all around!...

https://imgur.com/a/EDY9HpY
The guy that thinks that Yard House is a higher-end restaurant(!) thinks that downtown Phoenix is a s-hole. Got it. You clearly need to get out more because the city has changed quite a bit since you got this preconceived notion. Expand your horizons and you’ll open your mind to what’s REALLY out there.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 12:27 PM
 
Location: NW Indiana
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Reputation: 115328
This thread is a mess of rude posts, personal attacks and off-topic comments. It has run its course and is now closed.

People, when you want to discuss general politics, please do so in the Politics forum.

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