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Old 10-26-2008, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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You're talking about the extreme low end of the employment scale here. The undocumented workers aren't doing all the non-union work; they're just doing the work no one else would do. Can you honestly say that there are local citizens lining up to dig ditches or pick cotton in the Arizona sun, or to wash dishes in hot kitchens? No one local wants to do that kind of work anymore.

Well, I'll agree with that to a point. But... It just so happens my first job was as a dishwasher back in my high school days. Is part of the problem that kids are too pampered these days??? Hmm...

When it comes to construction type jobs, the whole "no one else will do it" argument doesn't cut it with me since I am doing it. Why? Well, I actually get a sense of satisfaction from building things that I never could get by pushing paper.

Even though I'm a gen x-er, maybe I'm one of the last of a dying breed here that actually doesn't mind getting their hands dirty. If that's the case, I truly worry for the future of this country.
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:33 AM
 
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Without the help of Unions , regular workers would not have decent working conditions and pay. Unions have helped the American worker so much that their importance can not be denied.

Where do people in Right to Work (for less) states get your "anti-union" hatred from , do they teach you that in the schools , is it in the water ? If you don't like unions than don't work for a union company; but if you do work for a union company, PAY YOUR UNION DUES. Don't be a free-loader , it's not fair to the other workers. That is why Right to Work laws should be abolished.



Come on , this isn't 1950 anymore. Unions don't pick workers, the company does , and most have to go through a strict probationary period before they are even in the union.
You're just proving my point. People today regard unions as a normal, natural thing, a necessary part of the system. People think if they keep repeating these truisms maybe they'll turn into facts--unions are good, unions help the worker, unions have done a lot for us, etc.

Yet, the real facts are staring us in the face--90% of our industries have moved overseas. The cost of living is far higher than it used to be. There is a lack of a strong work ethic among a majority of the people today. There is a sense of entitlement today where many among us are scrambling for handouts and freebies rather than earning their own keep. There is too much emphasis on the comfort and security of the employee and the sanctity of a "job" and not enough understanding of profits and loss.

Incidentally, I'm not anti-union; I'm anti-monopoly. Unions represent a kind of monopoly, a forcible membership in a guild. Right to work came along to address that problem; some people don't want to be part of a union and don't want to go out on strike. OK, so don't give them the same benefits that the union members get. Fair is fair. But don't force everyone to join the union, either.
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