03-08-2009, 05:33 PM
Location: Anchored in Phoenix
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Ponderosa, if this was in the 1920s, would you give me Euthanasia for drinking wine? I have 8 bottles in my living room at this time. Alcohol is a harder drug than marijuana.
The drug-related kidnappings will get worse and worse the more you crack down on drugs. This failing war on drugs is no surprise to me. The result - lots of kidnappings and deaths, are no surprise for me.
We made the world we live in by forbidding the usage of a substance no more harmful than my wine. The law enforcment made its bed and now must lie down in it.
I have fear of getting in the crossfire sometime. Good thing I'm mostly working outside of Arizona.
I hold the lawmakers responsible for this drug violence by this illegality of a less harmful substance than alcohol.
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I think the increased violence around the human and drug smuggling is a problem. At the moment, it is of little concern to the average citizen, but sooner or later, innocent people are going to be caught in the cross fire. Already, we have gun battles among rival smugglers carrying vans full of illegals. It's been the illegals who get killed, but stray bullets could kill others as well.
03-08-2009, 06:38 PM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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AZnative4Life and Ponderosa:
Your posts are a bit frightening to me. I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't need to arm yourself with weapons as a resident of a large, urban city. Obviously, crimes and murders happen all over, but I do think that this specific issue could be a growing headache for this area, and it will continue to be unless something is done about it. Giving every citizen a gun is absolutely not the way to solve it.
This article, and other news I have heard about this situation, specifically state that it is not only drug-related people being kidnapped. Normal, random people are too... with the intent of extortion/ransom.
Also, I am pretty sure everyone in this forum is on the same team. No need for the angst.
An "article" doesn't make it so. Normal, everyday people are NOT being kidnapped. That is utter nonsense. Of course, why believe the people who live here, none of who can recount hearing anything about "normal" people getting kidnapped? We are all trying to cover this up.
03-08-2009, 06:41 PM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Ponderosa, if this was in the 1920s, would you give me Euthanasia for drinking wine? I have 8 bottles in my living room at this time. Alcohol is a harder drug than marijuana.
Yep, alcohol too. I agree it's just as bad, maybe worse. Anyone who demonstrates they have a drinking problem and continues to menace society despite treatment - gone.
03-08-2009, 07:24 PM
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Nothing to see here folks. Just ignore and let this thread go away. Just another "kidnapping" thread
03-08-2009, 07:30 PM
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So can't wait to move to AZ I'm not scared at all and I'm a single mom of 3. Been there plenty of times and have never been fearful. I am a smart woman though I am aware of my surroundings and watchful of my children. I also do believe in God and if it's your time it doesn't matter where you are.
03-08-2009, 07:38 PM
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Nothing to see here folks. Just ignore and let this thread go away. Just another "kidnapping" thread
Well, if it's "just another" thread about kidnapping, that must mean that kidnapping an actual problem in this city if it gets talked about so much. I just got back from Phoenix in January and it was very nice... friendly people... etc. When I started this thread, I saw a featured news article on CNN (and then this Reuters one that I posted), so I assumed that this was some sort of new news. I was unaware that kidnapping has always been talked about in this area.
03-08-2009, 07:56 PM
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Well, if it's "just another" thread about kidnapping, that must mean that kidnapping an actual problem in this city if it gets talked about so much. I just got back from Phoenix in January and it was very nice... friendly people... etc. When I started this thread, I saw a featured news article on CNN (and then this Reuters one that I posted), so I assumed that this was some sort of new news. I was unaware that kidnapping has always been talked about in this area.
No it doesn't get "talked about so much". We just have people like you who repeatedly "bump" this topic by restart threads instead of doing a search. You guys just want attention and want to get a reaction out of people. Funny how guys like you don't want to respond to old threads but rather feel the need to create a new thread each time.
Like I said folks, nothing to see here. Just ignore it and let it die. This is just another kidnapping thread except it's better disguised this time. I'm sure we will have another one soon.
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03-08-2009, 08:22 PM
Location: Tempe
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Well, if it's "just another" thread about kidnapping, that must mean that kidnapping an actual problem in this city if it gets talked about so much. I just got back from Phoenix in January and it was very nice... friendly people... etc. When I started this thread, I saw a featured news article on CNN (and then this Reuters one that I posted), so I assumed that this was some sort of new news. I was unaware that kidnapping has always been talked about in this area.
Wow you were here in January well we didn't become #2 overnight. I'm so surprise you got out of Phoenix without being kidnapped. You know will all these articles people are being plucked from their cars all the time. Im so glad you posted this to let everyone know how bad this place is. I can't even leave my house without fear of being kidnapped.
03-08-2009, 08:32 PM
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Wow you were here in January well we didn't become #2 overnight. I'm so surprise you got out of Phoenix without being kidnapped. You know will all these articles people are being plucked from their cars all the time. Im so glad you posted this to let everyone know how bad this place is. I can't even leave my house without fear of being kidnapped.
Just ignore this guy, he is just another person who wants attention and is trying to start trouble. This is just another stupid kidnapping thread
03-08-2009, 08:55 PM
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Unfortunately, I am not one of those persons. I have no ill intentions against Phoenix, whatsoever. It is disheartening that you are grouping me in with troll-like users, because I am obviously far from that. I guess the original topic of discuss has been covered.
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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