Traffic camera situation (Phoenix, Chandler: photo radar, high school, taxes)

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by numeflua

I'm dismayed to find we have so many sheeple in Arizona.

You admitted you were speeding. If the ticket comes in the mail - man up and pay it.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by numeflua

Taking responsibility involves accepting that one did something wrong, and trying to make amends. Only a sheep would believe that doing 63 in a 55 is doing something wrong.

First off - you don't know for a fact that your "friend" will get a ticket in the mail. It sometimes takes a couple of months for them to get mailed. So, at this point, the argument is a moot point.

Then, IF a ticket does come - you have admitted speeding. You could be cited in AZ for doing 1 mph over the speed limit. Of course, that normally does not happen. Regardless - you admit you were in violation of the speed limit. If the ticket comes in - pay it. $181.50.

[las vegas drunk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

You admitted you were speeding. If the ticket comes in the mail - man up and pay it.

Do you actually support these scamera's? It sure sounds like it. As I have said before, I got well over 20 of these tickets years ago when I was a delivery driver. Really, it was way more than that because I moved, and never changed my address on my license, or forwarded my mail. I have never even paid for one of these photo tickets. I would have paid over well over $5,000 if I paid these scamera tickets, and for what? My license never got suspended, nor did I get punished in any way. With the exception of Scottsdale who is doing alternate service, anyone who pays for these tickets is a sucker, plain and simple.

[las vegas drunk]

Originally Posted by numeflua

Taking responsibility involves accepting that one did something wrong, and trying to make amends. Only a sheep would believe that doing 63 in a 55 is doing something wrong.

These traffic cameras have nothing to do with right and wrong, the rule of law, or anything else civilization is built upon. If anything, they cause more danger because they create inconsistent traffic flow patterns. The only reason I was even doing 63 is because everyone in the right lane had slowed down to 50 for a reason unbeknownst to me since I'm not familiar with the area, and thus, I wanted to pass them. A situation in which people suddenly slow down to 50 on the highway is dangerous. These traffic cameras are a danger to humanity.

The ONLY logical conclusion one can come up with for their existence is the government needs more money and is willing to put lives in danger to get it. It has nothing to do with safety or right and wrong or anything else. So spare me the lecture about taking responsibility you unthinking automaton.

Agreed 100%, I gave you your first rep points for this comment.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by numeflua

Taking responsibility involves accepting that one did something wrong, and trying to make amends. Only a sheep would believe that doing 63 in a 55 is doing something wrong.

Truer words were never written. I ride my bike as fast as conditions safely allow at all times. My radar detector, eagle eyes and the warning signs keep me safe from the tax collectors.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Bummer

GOOD GRIEF . . . GROW UP AND PAY THE DAMN TICKET.

A major part of becoming an adult is to learn from your mistakes so admit you broke the law, pay the ticket or attend traffic school and move on but this time obey the speed limits.

Bummer, you are over simplifying the situation. I'm from MN and I was all around the Phoenix valley this weekend looking at potential areas to buy a home. I've never scene so many traffic camera's in all of my life!!! In 2 days or 300 miles of driving, I started to count and passed 20+ temporary mobile vans. I saw well over 100 camera's on the highways. And that is just what I noticed.

If it was all about keeping the streets safe then I agree with your point. It's too easy to get caught speeding from one zone to another if you follow the traffic.

Bummer. I know I know... Don't speed. Well I don't based off of how many tickets I get. But technology can be offensive when it turns into a big brother situation. This is obviously different: It's about curbing speeding but (because of how many are out there) it REALLY about revenue!!!

So you don't agree???? How about I attach a GPS to your car (you already have one in your cell phone). When you accidentally speed 10 MPH over because you thought it was a 65 MPH zone but it was a 55 MPH area, then I will say be a man and pay your fine. So do you have any problem with your cell phone's embedded GPS being used as a speed checking device??? It's a slippery slope. Moderator cut: no personal attacks
This is about fighting back. After personally witnessing their evasion of privacy, I too would use any technicality to get out of the ticket. I wish the OP the best of luck!

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Bummer, you are over simplifying the situation. I'm from MN and I was all around the Phoenix valley this weekend looking at potential areas to buy a home. I've never scene so many traffic camera's in all of my life!!! In 2 days or 300 miles of driving, I started to count and passed 20+ temporary mobile vans. I saw well over 100 camera's on the highways. And that is just what I noticed.

If it was all about keeping the streets safe then I agree with your point. It's too easy to get caught speeding from one zone to another if you follow the traffic.

Bummer. I know I know... Don't speed. Well I don't based off of how many tickets I get. But technology can be offensive when it turns into a big brother situation. This is obviously different: It's about curbing speeding but (because of how many are out there) it REALLY about revenue!!!

So you don't agree???? How about I attach a GPS to your car (you already have one in your cell phone). When you accidentally speed 10 MPH over because you thought it was a 65 MPH zone but it was a 55 MPH area, then I will say be a man and pay your fine. So do you have any problem with your cell phone's embedded GPS being used as a speed checking device??? It's a slippery slope. Moderator cut: no personal attacks pleaseDon't come off all high-and-mighty. I guarantee you that I can find several situations right now in your life when I could tell you to "GROW UP ". This is about fighting back. After personally witnessing their evasion of privacy, I too would use any technicality to get out of the ticket. I wish the OP the best of luck!

You are either exaggerating, counting the same cam multiple times, or mistaking cameras used to control signals for speeding cameras. There are only 25 or so cameras on the entire freeway system in Phoenix and you see far fewer vans - usually one in the major construction zones on I10 and I17 and an occasional one in other areas. Some cities have cams too - especially red light ones. It's pretty easy to avoid getting a ticket by just driving intelligently.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

You are either exaggerating, counting the same cam multiple times, or mistaking cameras used to control signals for speeding cameras. There are only 25 or so cameras on the entire freeway system in Phoenix and you see far fewer vans - usually one in the major construction zones on I10 and I17 and an occasional one in other areas. Some cities have cams too - especially red light ones. It's pretty easy to avoid getting a ticket by just driving intelligently.

Sounds like a little PARANOIA to me, Ponderosa . . . how 'bout you?

Bottom line . . . law abiding citizens are rarely concerned with law enforcement.

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[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

You are either exaggerating, counting the same cam multiple times, or mistaking cameras used to control signals for speeding cameras. There are only 25 or so cameras on the entire freeway system in Phoenix and you see far fewer vans - usually one in the major construction zones on I10 and I17 and an occasional one in other areas. Some cities have cams too - especially red light ones. It's pretty easy to avoid getting a ticket by just driving intelligently.

I was not driving so potentially I was counting things more than once. On the interstate, there were groupings of camera's. A few miles later, there were another grouping of camera's. I'm assuming they put more than one on the highway so people don't just speed-up down the road. An AZ friend that was driving pointed to camera's at signal lights. I was assuming those also were for speeding and was mentally counting them as speeding camera's. I stand corrected.

In any case, I saw several white vans with tall poles coming from them. Based off of the total numbers of vans, I think it is safe to assume I counted some more than once.

[AZgarden]

I just got my first ticket in AZ at the speed camera at Ray and Arizona. Let me say, the car has a temp tag cause I just got it a week ago. I didn't even think it was registered to me yet, but lo and behold, Chandler sent me a ticket, with the photo pictures showing my car, my head, etc etc. The truth is I was in the intersection and the light turned yellow and I speeded up. I have done this alot of times, to get out of the intersection. But I was clocked at 46 in a 35 zone. I thought 11miles over would be forgiven. Not a chance! The total ticket is $210. I am doing the traffic school thing to keep it off my insurance and that will cost me $195. There just is no way around these cameras and my take on this whole this is : Find out where the cameras are and avoid them.