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Old 12-09-2012, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Yeah
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Hills are scary. Narrow roads are scary.
Scary to you, or scary to drivers in this region as a whole?

Hills, valleys, narrow roads, and tunnels are all a daily part of life in this region. If anyone finds them scary, you seriously need to spend more time on the road, or ride with someone who is more confident. I find this terrain ro be some of the most enjoyable ever from a driving enthusiasts viewpoint, but timidness of area drivers makes it hard to really enjoy
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Scary to you, or scary to drivers in this region as a whole?

Hills, valleys, narrow roads, and tunnels are all a daily part of life in this region. If anyone finds them scary, you seriously need to spend more time on the road, or ride with someone who is more confident. I find this terrain ro be some of the most enjoyable ever from a driving enthusiasts viewpoint, but timidness of area drivers makes it hard to really enjoy
Maybe that"s the problem with your expectations. Pittsburgh's roads aren't a Top Gear-esque novelty for you to enjoy by yourself. They exist to get thousands of drivers to and from their destinations. Like people have mentioned, there are narrow roads, blind curves, hills, valleys, and bridges. People need to navigate these roads safely in all kinds of weather and conditions, regardless of whether it pleases some guy from Regent Square with road rage issues.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:28 AM
 
Location: North Oakland
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People need to navigate these roads safely in all kinds of weather and conditions, regardless of whether it pleases some guy from Regent Square with road rage issues.
I can't give you points yet, but I'd like to. Brilliant.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Yeah
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Maybe that"s the problem with your expectations. Pittsburgh's roads aren't a Top Gear-esque novelty for you to enjoy by yourself. They exist to get thousands of drivers to and from their destinations. Like people have mentioned, there are narrow roads, blind curves, hills, valleys, and bridges. People need to navigate these roads safely in all kinds of weather and conditions, regardless of whether it pleases some guy from Regent Square with road rage issues.
Ignorant evaluation of me.

You can navigate any/all of those scenarios without riding your brakes as if you are on the road for the first time. People take "driving safely" to an extreme: a good example is driving in measurable snow. People think creeping along at 5mph (literally) is the answer, when in reality, keeping up your momentum is a huge key to navigating snow. You can't keep up any usable momentum at 5mph.

This isn't a "me wanting to go faster than anyone else " issue, because I get passed by plenty of people on 79 and 279, just like anyone else. The tie ups we encounter on a daily basis are what you would encounter in a region much larger than this, and most are caused because of your so called "driving safely".
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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You have a touching faith in the ability of Penn Dot and public works to get salt on every part the road.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Yeah
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You have a touching faith in the ability of Penn Dot and public works to get salt on every part the road.
No one needs salt on every part of a road to get through snow
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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No one needs salt on every part of a road to get through snow
There has to be salt on the particular part where you want to stop, especially if downhill.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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There has to be salt on the particular part where you want to stop, especially if downhill.
Why would you need salt to stop? It is possible to get traction on snow and I have driven my front wheel drive car on a lake in Northern Minnesota before (with tire cables) and I had no problem getting traction. Salt is usually a waste of money and bad for the environment, but I do agree that hills and highways are important areas that should be salted.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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Scary to you, or scary to drivers in this region as a whole?

Hills, valleys, narrow roads, and tunnels are all a daily part of life in this region. If anyone finds them scary, you seriously need to spend more time on the road, or ride with someone who is more confident.
Buddy, on a closed course, you'd come nowhere near my lap times. That's not boasting; I just know more about technical driving than most people.

The streets aren't WRC. We have to cooperate with, and be mindful of, others out there.
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