in response to charges that workers can't make ends meet, upmc opens employee food pantry

[Goodjules]

Originally Posted by sealie

Some of us folks are college-degreed professionals and have been around the block a few times. Including a bad economy. Living on the left coast in IT work when the bottom fell out of the dotcoms was not my idea of a good time. I saw many, many people refuse to leave a company due to "loyalty" who got downsized without so much as a thank-you. I saw people -many - at the "right" company in the wrong position, waiting on someone to notice their hard work and put them where they belonged. Didn't happen. I'm not whistling in the dark here, I know what I'm talking about. If for every 10 people on the front line, 1 person gets promoted to team lead and for every 10 leads one gets promoted to department manager, you've got 99 losers for every winner, and probably half of them thought they were going to be the one. Every year you go down this road it is going to get harder to redirect your career to where you want it to be. That is a fact.

Happens all the time. I went through many mergers and acquisitions when I was in banking. Our bank was the one doing the acquiring. Do you think all those "redundant" employees had an easy time keeping their careers on track during a period of recession and massive layoffs?

I have a friend who was one of a very few women in senior management in a major high tech company in Silicon Valley. She had been there for about 15 years working her way up. Management changed. the new guys actually told her they thought women should stay home. this was about two years ago. yes, people still think like that. All of sudden she stopped getting invited to meetings, her responsibilities were cut. She got a lawyer. She got them to settle for not as much as she had hoped. They admitted no wrongdoing. She quit and now works for her husband's small business. The whole experience was devastating. Even if you have some means and are very savvy as she was, the companies have more lawyers and deeper pockets than you do.

I was stuck in a job I hated during the recession in the early 90s. I sent out resumes every day and went on interviews for almost two years before I found a much better job.

I was unemployed and over 50 when the market crashed in 2008. The only work I could find paid little more than minimum wage and offered no benefits whatsoever. No paid time off, no vacation or sick days, no health insurance. I have a strong resume and a college degree. I just happened to need a job when the economy melted down. I took the jobs. I know there are people who complain about their jobs and do nothing to improve their situation. But, what many of us are trying to say is that you can put in tremendous effort to change things and still not get what you want. I believe that only the very young and the very lucky think otherwise.

[Steely McBeam]

Originally Posted by sealie

Some of us folks are college-degreed professionals and have been around the block a few times. Including a bad economy. Living on the left coast in IT work when the bottom fell out of the dotcoms was not my idea of a good time. I saw many, many people refuse to leave a company due to "loyalty" who got downsized without so much as a thank-you. I saw people -many - at the "right" company in the wrong position, waiting on someone to notice their hard work and put them where they belonged. Didn't happen. I'm not whistling in the dark here, I know what I'm talking about. If for every 10 people on the front line, 1 person gets promoted to team lead and for every 10 leads one gets promoted to department manager, you've got 99 losers for every winner, and probably half of them thought they were going to be the one. Every year you go down this road it is going to get harder to redirect your career to where you want it to be. That is a fact.

Exactly. The "American Dream" is more of an "American Lottery". Not everyone can be mid level management let alone an executive. Most people will remain stagnant in their job/career/employment and be displeased. In that case, why not agitate for better pay? Especially if the organization is doing so well.

[groar]

No Help Wanted: In filing to labor board, UPMC claims it has no employees | News | Pittsburgh City Paper

now upmc is saying they have no employees, therefore the nlrb can't file a complaint against them.

motion denied, by the way.

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by groar

No Help Wanted: In filing to labor board, UPMC claims it has no employees | News | Pittsburgh City Paper

now upmc is saying they have no employees, therefore the nlrb can't file a complaint against them.

motion denied, by the way.

I feel like canceling my appointment there tomorrow. What as*holes.

[Clint.]

Management at UPMC can kiss their own asses; if their spines to need to break for them to do it, then even better.