Ferguson protest in Ross park mall Saturday (Wilson, Oakland: income, live)

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by UKyank

The mall should have all of them arrested for trespassing on private property. What a group of losers

That's sort of exactly the point. To make it harder for people who aren't, for reasons of class and race, likely to have troubles with the police to ignore the issue. People opposed to the protest will be arguing that trespassing in a mall is somehow a problem worthy of more attention than the unpunished shooting/strangling by police.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

The fact that the whole nation isn't upset the police are assaulting and/or killing Americans with impunity shows how effective the government's use of divide and conquer has worked on the populace.

Using the death of a person whom was committing a crime & then assaulting a police thereafter is a less than effective rallying cry to the majority of Americans.

Call me when this 'killing with impunity' is happening regularly to people not engaged in some criminal activity (not saying that this never happens, but it is rare & the police in those cases usually face repercussions.)

The whole militarization of police is a worthy debate; disrupting normal people from doing their Saturday shopping is going to get you no support for your cause.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

The fact that the whole nation isn't upset the police are assaulting and/or killing Americans with impunity shows how effective the government's use of divide and conquer has worked on the populace.

Lets all argue over a dozen things that make us different instead of uniting against blatant oppression against everyone. That's exactly what they want anyway.

I personally do not see anything wrong with the outcome in either case. A grand jury of ordinary people reviewed the evidence and found no justification to bring charges.

Of course this is now off topic for this board so the discussion should be about the protest in this area only.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I'm sorry, but from everything I've read it seems to me like what happened in NYC was a tragic accident---not that the cop intentionally wanted to kill that man either because he was on a power-trip or hated African-Americans. The "chokehold" was idiotic to have done, but it wouldn't have resulted in death for 99.9999% of the U.S. population. Disrupting the daily lives of millions of Americans to protest "racist cops" seems counter-productive to me since people like me start hating the protesters instead of hating the cops.

The protesters have already proven to me what they are. If the would interrupt me in a private business while I am going about my business, I would even have stronger feeling against them.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

That's sort of exactly the point. To make it harder for people who aren't, for reasons of class and race, likely to have troubles with the police to ignore the issue. People opposed to the protest will be arguing that trespassing in a mall is somehow a problem worthy of more attention than the unpunished shooting/strangling by police.

The grand jury of ordinary Americans found there is nothing to punish.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I'm sorry, but from everything I've read it seems to me like what happened in NYC was a tragic accident---not that the cop intentionally wanted to kill that man either because he was on a power-trip or hated African-Americans. The "chokehold" was idiotic to have done, but it wouldn't have resulted in death for 99.9999% of the U.S. population.

What on earth are you talking about? The chokehold (it can be seen on actual video that it was a chokehold and the medical examiner said it was a chokehold) had been banned by the NYPD (back in the 90s) because it had killed other people.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Originally Posted by UKyank

Using the death of a person whom was committing a crime & then assaulting a police thereafter is a less than effective rallying cry to the majority of Americans.

Call me when this 'killing with impunity' is happening regularly to people not engaged in some criminal activity (not saying that this never happens, but it is rare & the police in those cases usually face repercussions.

The fact that anyone thinks a simple crime of theft and/or assault equals an automatic death sentence without a jury is the most un-American thing I can think of.

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

I personally do not see anything wrong with the outcome in either case. A grand jury of ordinary people reviewed the evidence and found no justification to bring charges.

Of course this is now off topic for this board so the discussion should be about the protest in this area only.

You mean a grand jury who is setup to never indict any police officer in homicide in any scenario?

The game is rigged, yet people still refuse to believe that.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

The grand jury of ordinary Americans found there is nothing to punish.

The grand jury was directed by the local prosecutor who works with the police on a daily basis and has to work with them in the future. There's nobody with any incentive to actually present the case against the police. Among the reforms being called for (generally, I don't know what this specific group wants) is the use of a special prosecutor when the accused is a police officer. This strikes me as being the barest minimum plausible reform.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

What on earth are you talking about? The chokehold (it can be seen on actual video that it was a chokehold and the medical examiner said it was a chokehold) had been banned by the NYPD (back in the 90s) because it had killed other people.

He died for two reasons:

1) He was resisting arrest and,
2) His obesity made him unable to tolerate what almost anyone his age would have been able to tolerate

He was able to talk so he was getting oxygen. That is no choke hold.

In any case a just of peers reviewed the evidence and found there was no reason to bring charges.

[aw_now_what]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I'm sorry, but from everything I've read it seems to me like what happened in NYC was a tragic accident---not that the cop intentionally wanted to kill that man either because he was on a power-trip or hated African-Americans. The "chokehold" was idiotic to have done, but it wouldn't have resulted in death for 99.9999% of the U.S. population. Disrupting the daily lives of millions of Americans to protest "racist cops" seems counter-productive to me since people like me start hating the protesters instead of hating the cops.

It's always interesting to watch the majority tell the minority how they should perceive and air grievances. How do you feel about straight people who don't understand your life telling you what you're allowed to want to change, and how you should express it?