How are small local restaurants and cafes going to survive the winter? (York: elementary school, income)

[Doowlle34]

Originally Posted by erieguy

the Trump vaccine is being distributed in full force.

Of course, there is some criticism percolating about the distribution efforts, https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...ibution-delays, although, no doubt, there would be some criticism of Trump in any event. I'm sure Foxnews and its younger, more conservative brethren will be understanding once Joe B. is overseeing the efforts, however.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by erieguy

You obviously don’t get out much, which is good because it sounds like you’re better off staying home...as there are always people shopping while not wearing their masks properly.

What’s the contact tracing % of restaurants?

How many of those people are picking up products, looking at them, and then putting them back? What about the narrow aisles in the dollar stores? It is much safer to sit in a restaurant where tables are spaced apart.


Contact tracing is a BIG JOKE. If I test positive and I say I was at Giant Eagle, how do they know who was in the store at the same time? How to the know I did not pick up a can of corn and put it back and a person from the other side of the store picks up that same can a couple minutes later?


What if a Grubhub, Doordash, Amazon, UPS, etc. driver is infected without symptoms. They are delivering the corona virus door to door.



The current restrictions were all about government control not common sense.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

Of course, there is some criticism percolating about the distribution efforts, https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...ibution-delays, although, no doubt, there would be some criticism of Trump in any event. I'm sure Foxnews and its younger, more conservative brethren will be understanding once Joe B. is overseeing the efforts, however.

The problem is the first vaccine approved has to be kept at minus 90 degrees. The media hates Trump and that has hate has guided all the reporting about the pandemic.

[Doowlle34]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

The current restrictions were all about government control not common sense.

I fully support your right to dissent, and I'm concerned about restaurant owners and their employees. Heck, I even think it might not be a bad idea for the government to, essentially, look the other way with respect to those business that want to buck quarantine. However, what concerns me, and what I think is potentially irresponsible, is when you (as you've done here) turn the dissent level up to 11.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

I fully support your right to dissent, and I'm concerned about restaurant owners and their employees. Heck, I even think it might not be a bad idea for the government to, essentially, look the other way with respect to those business that want to buck quarantine. However, what concerns me, and what I think is potentially irresponsible, is when you (as you've done here) turn the dissent level up to 11.

I have not "turn the dissent level up to 11", I have applied common sense to the situation. Clearly a restaurant is safer than a grocery store, a big box retailer, and especial certain of the dollar stores. In restaurants people are not walking past one another and touching products many other people have touched.


Also, why is it okay for a restaurant to create a new indoor space from the outdoors and allow indoor dining without any repercussions?



Obviously you don't know anyone in the restaurant industry who have been crushed by these restrictions which clearly do not make sense.


Also you seem to believe the misinformation put out by the media which created fear and panic far beyond what is supported by the facts.

[Copanut]

Contact tracing will become very easy after we are all inoculated. Once we get the Microsoft chip in our bloodstream being tracked by the new 5G network will be a cinch.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Copanut

Contact tracing will become very easy after we are all inoculated. Once we get the Microsoft chip in our bloodstream being tracked by the new 5G network will be a cinch.

Contact tracing of a virus which is airborne was a joke from day one. The only way it could ever work is if the government closed everything.

[Doowlle34]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

I have not "turn the dissent level up to 11", I have applied common sense to the situation. Clearly a restaurant is safer than a grocery store, a big box retailer, and especial certain of the dollar stores. In restaurants people are not walking past one another and touching products many other people have touched.


Also, why is it okay for a restaurant to create a new indoor space from the outdoors and allow indoor dining without any repercussions?



Obviously you don't know anyone in the restaurant industry who have been crushed by these restrictions which clearly do not make sense.


Also you seem to believe the misinformation put out by the media which created fear and panic far beyond what is supported by the facts.

Well, this post is more reasonable - i think what sets off alarm bells for me is when you use the phrase "government control."

So,

1. Yea, I do not know anyone in the restaurant industry -- although I think you don't have to be intimately involved in the industry to have some understanding of how tough this situation is for them. Certainly, if I had my savings invested in a business that was under threat, I'd be doing anything I could to keep it going. Although in certain cases, you find some interesting statements from the restaurant owners; like the owner of the Tin Lizzy is quoted in the Trib as saying something like, "I don't know how the government can tell I guy he can't be in business." Well, this is sort of side-stepping the fact that the government has the authority to regulate and shut down the business for a variety of issues, and I still feel strongly that it must be inherent in the state's police powers to shut down a business for the public interest. Certainly you feel that the concerns over the current virus are overblown, but wouldn't you agree that there could be a virus with a higher death rate, such that even you might agree that a shut down is warranted, or perhaps a coronavirus that was decimating elementary schools like the current one is decimating nursing homes?

2. Gov. Wolf and Co. may be incorrect in their quarantine efforts, and they may be inconsistent, etc. etc., but I generally do not feel that the restrictions in PA are inconsistent with restrictions that were put in place in many other states and countries. To be clear, this isn't to say they were correct, it is simply to argue that they are a not unusual method of attempting to address the current pandemic. I also don't get the sense that they are part and parcel of some authoritarian power grab. Wolf may be misguided, but I don't perceive mal-intent.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

Also, why is it okay for a restaurant to create a new indoor space from the outdoors and allow indoor dining without any repercussions?

Actually, the 'outdoor' dining is supposed to be exposed to the elements on two sides in order to be qualified as truly 'outdoor' dining.

Originally Posted by Doowlle34

2. Gov. Wolf and Co. may be incorrect in their quarantine efforts, and they may be inconsistent, etc. etc., but I generally do not feel that the restrictions in PA are inconsistent with restrictions that were put in place in many other states and countries. To be clear, this isn't to say they were correct, it is simply to argue that they are a not unusual method of attempting to address the current pandemic. I also don't get the sense that they are part and parcel of some authoritarian power grab. Wolf may be misguided, but I don't perceive mal-intent.

No neighboring states of the Kingdom of Pennsylvania shut down all indoor dining over the holidays. Everywhere else had severe restrictions, but no total ban like we did. Even in New York state, the ban on indoor dining was limited to a few cities. It wasn't a statewide order like it was here.

They also handled the definition of 'essential' businesses in the spring very differently than elsewhere and were uniquely restrictive - ie prohibiting car sales, closing the liquor stores..

The 'State of Independence' has devolved into a state of tyranny.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

so "when restrictions are lifted" that's an absolute guarantee they won't be reinstated? if it happened once, it can happen again

and it's preposterous to believe a national chain is gonna have any interest in a tiny neighborhood cafe or restaurant with no parking and no drive-thru

I don’t doubt anything that Wolf would do again, and again, and again. He’s a clown.

If there’s money to be made, a chain will move in, but if nothing moves into where these small businesses were, so be it.... and the same people screaming to shut it down will be complaining that the storefronts are empty.