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Old 08-09-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If you think the money private insurance companies are making, is being passed onto the physicians, nurses, etc...your sadly mistaken. And yes, you deserve to reap the rewards of your education and hardwork and labor I know the issues of physicians all too well And, I am healthy We can start with repealing the equation used to determine physician/provider fees for Medicare/Medicaid/and Tricare.

It's not socialism to have Medicare for everyone - it's
the right thing to do. I can think of nothing more societal than medicine.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen!
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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Yes, let us look at the exponential rise in expense imposed by the federal government for bringing new drugs and new medical technologies into use instead of conveniently only pointing the finger at insurance companies.
All those commercials I see on TV are from drug companies, not Uncle Sam. In fact, I think they make more money than the insurance companies do. New medical technologies - why do you think we are living soooo long. Look at Dick Cheney - he would of been dead long ago

Your right, I blame the government that Dick Cheny is
still around
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Excellent point, since you brought it up then you find the others to compare it to then we will all see your point and it would be proven.
Oh wait, I must be racist!

Japan's healthcare is national and awesome. There you go.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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All those commercials I see on TV are from drug companies, not Uncle Sam. In fact, I think they make more money than the insurance companies do. New medical technologies - why do you think we are living soooo long. Look at Dick Cheney - he would of been dead long ago

Your right, I blame the government that Dick Cheny is
still around
Talk about going off topic and deflecting when your argument has lost credibility! Way to spin and deflect.

Obviously you know nothing about the cost of the process to get new drugs and new medical technologies approved by the federal government. We are talking $$ Billions per drug and per technology. Seriously, go stand in line for a clue.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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Talk about going off topic and deflecting when your argument has lost credibility! Way to spin and deflect.

Obviously you know nothing about the cost of the process to get new drugs and new medical technologies approved by the federal government. We are talking $$ Billions per drug and per technology. Seriously, go stand in line for a clue.
I'm very familiar with it. The latter was a joke - stand in line for a sense of humor
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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Talk about going off topic and deflecting when your argument has lost credibility! Way to spin and deflect.

Obviously you know nothing about the cost of the process to get new drugs and new medical technologies approved by the federal government. We are talking $$ Billions per drug and per technology. Seriously, go stand in line for a clue.
I pay $800 per month for one drug for my ill wife who also takes many others for her condition. This drug is not a new fangled, high science drug in any way shape or form. The reason it is high because the manufacturer can charge this rate. We have no insurance anymore because my wife at a relative young age became ill. I can go on and on about why this and that but why bother because it seems it's pointless to explain to some people. Simply put our system is decaying at a rapid rate and is not sustainable.
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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Talk about going off topic and deflecting when your argument has lost credibility! Way to spin and deflect.

Obviously you know nothing about the cost of the process to get new drugs and new medical technologies approved by the federal government. We are talking $$ Billions per drug and per technology. Seriously, go stand in line for a clue.
Yeah ... heaven forfend that the regulatory authorities do their best to ensure that new drugs and technology is actually safe to use.

All developed countries have a similar regulatory environment to ours but their costs are a lot less than ours.
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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I pay $800 per month for one drug for my ill wife who also takes many others for her condition. This drug is not a new fangled, high science drug in any way shape or form. The reason it is high because the manufacturer can charge this rate. We have no insurance anymore because my wife at a relative young age became ill. I can go on and on about why this and that but why bother because it seems it's pointless to explain to some people. Simply put our system is decaying at a rapid rate and is not sustainable.
I don't know if you were a victim of "recission" by the insurance company but it is my understanding that this is one abuse that "Obamacare" has got rid of (or is getting rid of)
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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I don't know if you were a victim of "recission" by the insurance company but it is my understanding that this is one abuse that "Obamacare" has got rid of (or is getting rid of)
We lost our insurance finally, after many battles with them, when my employer went chapter 7. No cobra is available in this situation. Hipaa coverage was $2600 per month here in this state of VA. Virginia offers nothing to people like my wife and I, I mean nothing. I make too much money for medicaid for her and I don't make enough money for the banks to help me. We've been trying to get her SSDI coverage, because she was a real and continuous taxpayer for 30 years, but has been rejected for 3 times, even though she has a firm diagnoses of a very painful crippling disease. As her lawyer said, "if she can sell tickets at a three ring circus with her feet, you can almost forget about it with this corrupt federal government. Sense Virginia offers nothing to good tax payers, the federal government has stepped in with a pre-existing condition insurance coverage at $13,000 per year with high deductables. These deductibles can go as high as $20,000. We are selling our house of 15 years and moving out of the state.

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Old 08-09-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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We lost our insurance finally, after many battles with them, when my employer went chapter 7. No cobra is available in this situation. Hipaa coverage was $2600 per month here in this state of VA. Virginia offers nothing to people like my wife and I, I mean nothing. I make too much money for medicaid for her and I don't make enough money for the banks to help me. We've been trying to get her SSDI coverage, because she was a real and continuous taxpayer for 30 years, but has been rejected for 3 times, even though she has a firm diagnoses of a very painful crippling disease. As her lawyer said, "if she can sell tickets at a three ring circus with her feet, you can almost forget about it with this corrupt federal government. Sense Virginia offers nothing to good tax payers, the federal government has stepped in with a pre-existing condition insurance coverage at $13,000 per year with high deductables. These deductibles can go as high as $20,000. We are selling our house of 15 years and moving out of the state.
I am sorry to hear that.

My brother-in-law has a range of ailments including diabetes, being legally blind and getting a kidney transplant. He is fortunate in that he lives in Massachusetts. However, he cannot marry his girlfriend of long date because he would lose his benefits, he cannot work as he would lose his benefits and no insurance company would touch him and he cannot move out of state.

Free market health works in theory. The problem is that it does not work well in practice.
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