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Old 08-09-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada .

Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said, "Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age."

SHIP HIM OFF TO CANADA OR ENGLAND !

He is "elderly" himself but be sure to remember his health insurance is different from yours as Congress has their own high-end coverage! He will never have to learn to accept "inconveniences"!!!
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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But it is not about receiving quality healthcare services. It is about government control. Lowering the bar of the services allowed for all except the political elite (who are exempted from Obamacare). Lower the bar for everything so that the non-producers enjoy the same services as the producers. Worse healthcare available fore everyone! That is the all inclusiveness the liberals want. Becasue, that's social justice, don't ya' know.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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So, "Investor's Business Daily" only listed Canada and the UK? Both are very different from each other. Why didn't they also add Germany, Switzerland, France, Netherlands etc etc...Why stop at certain medical procedures?
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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So, "Investor's Business Daily" only listed Canada and the UK? Both are very different from each other. Why didn't they also add Germany, Switzerland, France, Netherlands etc etc...Why stop at certain medical procedures?
Excellent point, since you brought it up then you find the others to compare it to then we will all see your point and it would be proven.
Oh wait, I must be racist!
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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So, "Investor's Business Daily" only listed Canada and the UK? Both are very different from each other. Why didn't they also add Germany, Switzerland, France, Netherlands etc etc...Why stop at certain medical procedures?

Pretty much this.

There's other countries with UHC.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Excellent point, since you brought it up then you find the others to compare it to then we will all see your point and it would be proven.
Oh wait, I must be racist!
Quit playing the race card.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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There are other diseases than cancer, and on all of them the US provides an inadequate service at twice the cost (and what's more, the cancer figures are out of date). The NHS is so far superior that no-one over here would bother to propose the American model at an election because s/he'd be voted out at once, whereas ordinary people in the States would be mad to go on with the pay-or-die plan. You lot can be extremely silly!
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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Excellent point, since you brought it up then you find the others to compare it to then we will all see your point and it would be proven.
Oh wait, I must be racist!
Racist, what are you talking about?
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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I will gladly accept Obamacare, if all Americans (Legal) have to accept it. Including all government workers. I wouldn't mind that sweet deal they get in Congress either.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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As someone once said, there are lies, damned lies and statistics

After all, there is also a WHO statistic that shows the UK with higher average life expectancy than the US and at less than half the per-capita cost of health.

Of course, here in the US, we have already partial UHC due to Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc. etc. all paid for by taxpayers who also have to pay for their own health insurance. So people like me get to pay for health care twice. Once for me and once for the others.

We also have a hopelessly inefficient system of paying for health. Ever had a procedure? How many different invoices did you get from the various practitioners and how many statements from the insurance company? What does that all cost? In the UK you get none (as in zero).

And our health care bills also have to provide a nice little profit for the insurance companies on top of the doctors and nurses that actually do the work.

My mother is still in the UK. 84 years old and she gets outstanding care on the NHS. If she needs a drug, she gets a prescription, goes to the pharmacy and gets it for free. My wife's parents, also around 80, are here in the US. They get pretty good care too (thank you taxpayers). Except, they cannot afford the drugs they are prescribed and have to break the law and get them from Canada.

Imagine that, you have to break the law just to get the treatment the doctor has prescribed. Seems pretty dumb to me.
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