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Old 09-15-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Why,are Muslims above lying?
Better yet, don't. Ignorance is a lot easier to grasp.

Why should they trust you, anyway?
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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There is nothing in any of the Hadiths either...

Lets make this easy,post where in Islamic teachings it is forbidden for non-Muslims to draw Mohammed?
It's forbidden to insult him at all. The medium is irrelevant.

Sunan Abu Dawood 4362

Narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Sunnan Abu Dawud 4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 4361

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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No. You are putting words in my mouth.

What I said was that purposely going out of your way to be offensive is a sure way to incur consequences. Islamist take their religion most seriously and consider that anyone who insults their religion is a heathen and an infidel who must be put to death.

Knowing this, I consider that anyone who intentionally offends in this manner must have a death wish, and I am certain that Molly norris was very well aware of that. She got what she bargained for and will spend her life in hiding if she is wise.

Whether I approve of either side makes no difference to the situation as it stands.
i'm not trying to put words in your mouth. i'm hoping to get you to see the logical progression of your train of thought.

you clearly champion -
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I'll try not to miss her.

As ye sow, etc.
-the concept that those who purposefully do something to offend members of a religious group deserve whatever punishment the offended care to dish out, including death.

question: if the artist who did the 'pi$$ christ' - who clearly knew how offensive he was being - had been ripped limb from limb by angry christians, would you 'try not to miss him,' and think he justly deserved a cruel death?
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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as far as I know "existential threat" means global and terminal.
So why are you so confused?
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:49 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Better yet, don't. Ignorance is a lot easier to grasp.

Why should they trust you, anyway?
There is no need to trust me,you want me to take the word of a Muslim that despite what is written in their Holy book and what is stated by their religious leaders not to mention their history, their religion is peaceful.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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So why are you so confused?
Because Islam is a global and possibly terminal threat to us infidels.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It's forbidden to insult him at all. The medium is irrelevant.

Sunan Abu Dawood 4362

Narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Sunnan Abu Dawud 4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 4361

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
I will hazard a guess you haven't found anything to answer where in Islamic teachings it is forbidden for non-Muslims to draw Mohammed?
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Actually,it is.
Freedom of speech is quashed by good judgment? You believe that?

How very sad.

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No,but I also do not rely upon the platitudes of Muslims that despite all the evidence to the contrary,their religion is peaceful.
Who does? I have no idea who you are arguing with on that issue.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:51 PM
 
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A falling piano is not the same as a doodle on a piece of paper. The laws of gravity can't be changed, but stupid human ideas can. When the world was different, when people were not mingling, people could get away with these ideas. In a globally society it's not going to fly.
Why does the global society idea apparently only apply to non muslims?
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's forbidden to insult him at all. The medium is irrelevant.

Sunan Abu Dawood 4362

Narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Sunnan Abu Dawud 4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 4361

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
How's about it's forbidden for THEM to insult. Those of us not astute in the teaching of the Koran nor are Muslims do not have to follow their religious laws. That goes for any and all religions..not just Islam.
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