An honest question for all you leftists here: What exactly is so "extreme" about the Tea Party? (cost, elect)

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by beenhereandthere

What people? The white male status quo that the tea party wants to defend?

Can we ignore the issues and play the race card? Yes We Can!!!

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by aspiesmom

Can't help noticing you took above out of context and left out three major points of my post:

I can't help noticing how YOU ignore history.

Originally Posted by aspiesmom

1) Tea Party is corporate backed
2) Sarah Palin is Neocon backed
3) Ron Paul's warning: Tea Party is taking you for a ride
Here is my fourth point which I will clarify
4) 0$ in the US Treasury is NO government of by and for WE THE PEOPLE

Thanks for highlighting the 4th point. LOL yep that's what the Tea Party wants. Absolutely no money for the government. I think it's funny how people with false interpretations think others are dumb enough to believe them too.

I will agree that Palin is a bit of a Teocon, you cannot believe in our military occupying foreign nations and extending the empire.

go small or go home

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by WDCJoe

Have you ever read a historic work on the living conditions of common people during this period?

Gotcha it was the cost effective, efficient government that did that.

If you believe that falsehood is true then why don't you tell me why this very same type of government is responsible for the depression of the 30's and the depression right now? Keep going back to the poisonous well.

[aspiesmom]

Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry

I can't help noticing how YOU ignore history.



Thanks for highlighting the 4th point. LOL yep that's what the Tea Party wants. Absolutely no money for the government. I think it's funny how people with false interpretations think others are dumb enough to believe them too.

I will agree that Palin is a bit of a Teocon, you cannot believe in our military occupying foreign nations and extending the empire.

go small or go home

How do you propose to get money for the government then?
Everytime I ask a Tea Partier this, they tell me - smaller government. Shrinking something does not lower the deficit. That's like saying a credit card with a high balance is paid off because no more stuff is purchased

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by aspiesmom

How do you propose to get money for the government then?
Everytime I ask a Tea Partier this, they tell me - smaller government. Shrinking something does not lower the deficit. That's like saying a credit card with a high balance is paid off because no more stuff is purchased

CC balance. Finally, an analogy I agree with you on.

The same way they did before the 16th amendment. Excise tax, tariffs, and customs duties.

[Califreeman]

Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy

I know you all get your same talking points from MoveOn, I mean, you all even use the same exact verbiage, you could be a little more subtle, but anyway:


What is so extreme about

Following the constitution
Smaller debt
Less taxes
Less gov in our life

I'd like specifics, not "O'Donnell believes that masturbation is wrong", many people of all political persuasions do and it's not something that can be legislated anyway, so lets rule that one out. I want to know specifically what is "extreme" about our beliefs?

1) Following the constitution: Great idea, except that a HUGE percentage (a possibly majority) are very socially conservative. Thus, issues pertaining to freedom of religion are typically in conflict with the Tea Party.

2) Smaller debt: Many Tea Party members want to extend the tax cut. This would result in billions more in debt. It would not stimulate the economy, thus there is no way to offset the losses. The stimulus has actually helped the economy. We don't know the extent, but we know that unemployment would be higher.

3) Less taxes: Obama's plan would still have less taxes than under Clinton...yes even for those making more than 250k. Keeping taxes extremely low for those that are in the top 2% of wage earners would result in a bigger deficit. Having tax cuts for the middle class, which is what is proposed (and keeping taxes lower than under Clinton) will help stimulate the economy. Middle income families use the tax cuts for more retail purchases, thus directly contributing to the economy.

4) Less government: The Tea Party movement isn't about less government. Esp. when they are stating that homosexuals shouldn't get married, that abortion shouldn't be legal, that certain places of worship shouldn't be built. Those are government intrusions. Tea Party members want less government in the sense of not having health reform (which I wish there was a public option to foster competition) as well as not bailing out GM or Chrysler (which is ironic since the Tea Party movement is all about nationalism).

The Tea Party movement is really a movement that's more emotionally based and less policy based.

[Sid2001]

Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy

I know you all get your same talking points from MoveOn, I mean, you all even use the same exact verbiage, you could be a little more subtle, but anyway:

What is so extreme about

Following the constitution
Smaller debt
Less taxes
Less gov in our life

None of those views are extreme, too bad the tea party only pays lip service to them. You asked what is extreme about the tea party, well less than half of them, 41% believe that Obama is a US citizen. 92% of them believe that Obama is turning the US into a Socialist nation, the majority of them hold favorable views of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, whom are extremist IMO. Don't get me started on all the crazy ideas various tea party candidates/politicians have voiced.

[Akhenaton06]

Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy

I know you all get your same talking points from MoveOn, I mean, you all even use the same exact verbiage, you could be a little more subtle, but anyway:


What is so extreme about

Following the constitution
Smaller debt
Less taxes
Less gov in our life

I'd like specifics, not "O'Donnell believes that masturbation is wrong", many people of all political persuasions do and it's not something that can be legislated anyway, so lets rule that one out. I want to know specifically what is "extreme" about our beliefs?

There's nothing extreme about those things per se (others have highlighted the hypocrisy of the Tea Party in their selective application of those things), but you've got to admit that many Tea Party candidates have said extreme things. Opposing abortion in the case of rape and incest is pretty extreme, as is advocating "Second Amendment remedies" by Sharron Angle and questioning the legitimacy of the Civil Rights movement (Rand Paul). That's just for starters.

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by Califreeman

1) Following the constitution: Great idea, except that a HUGE percentage (a possibly majority) are very socially conservative. Thus, issues pertaining to freedom of religion are typically in conflict with the Tea Party.

incorrect. The Tea Party is about smaller government. What you do is cherry pick out comments a person (teocons) makes and not the policy in order to further your agenda.

Originally Posted by Califreeman

2) Smaller debt: Many Tea Party members want to extend the tax cut. This would result in billions more in debt. It would not stimulate the economy, thus there is no way to offset the losses. The stimulus has actually helped the economy. We don't know the extent, but we know that unemployment would be higher.

You do not know much about the history of our economy or much about the Free Market when you make a silly statement saying tax cuts would not stimulate the economy. We saw in the early 20's how tax cuts AND cutting government spending saved the economy. Saying different is plain ignorance. The private sector stimulates the economy the government manipulates it.

Originally Posted by Califreeman

3) Less taxes: Obama's plan would still have less taxes than under Clinton...yes even for those making more than 250k. Keeping taxes extremely low for those that are in the top 2% of wage earners would result in a bigger deficit. Having tax cuts for the middle class, which is what is proposed (and keeping taxes lower than under Clinton) will help stimulate the economy. Middle income families use the tax cuts for more retail purchases, thus directly contributing to the economy.

Nonsense. The people with money are the ones who make jobs. I have never received a job from a poor person. Job creation stimulates the economy. The top 5 percent account for 37 percent of the spending. Why cut your own throat by taxing them and giving to the government?

Originally Posted by Califreeman

4) Less government: The Tea Party movement isn't about less government. Esp. when they are stating that homosexuals shouldn't get married, that abortion shouldn't be legal, that certain places of worship shouldn't be built. Those are government intrusions. Tea Party members want less government in the sense of not having health reform (which I wish there was a public option to foster competition) as well as not bailing out GM or Chrysler (which is ironic since the Tea Party movement is all about nationalism).

To be sure there are a few Teocons in the movement but making a blanket statement using that false premise is disingenuious. None of what you list at the beginning of this point is Tea Party policy. What you list are YOUR false premises.

Originally Posted by Califreeman

The Tea Party movement is really a movement that's more emotionally based and less policy based.

Always good to see people making things up about the Tea Party. Making false statements, which this post is full of, to further ones agenda means the opposition is running scared. Trying their best to portray the Tea Party into something they are not since the accusers policies have proven to be failures.

[aspiesmom]

Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry

CC balance. Finally, an analogy I agree with you on.

The same way they did before the 16th amendment. Excise tax, tariffs, and customs duties.

Then other countries will stop trading with us, and we will stop trading with other countries. Also NOT a good idea since we need green technology for green energy, and China and India are way ahead of us on that. Before you say you don't want green energy, do you really want oil/coal energy? King Oil and King Coal imposed that on America, that was not Americans' choice.

Also, the wealthy will buy their big ticket items overseas, other countries will not impose excise tax, tariffs, and custom duties on wealthy Americans because they WANT WEALTHY AMERICAN BUSINESS. So Tea Party will ruin American economy as well as destroy US Treasury.

And that is why Tea Party is backed by billionaire Koch Brothers, they don't care what happens to American economy and US Treasury, they just want to get richer for themselves!