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Old 09-22-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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No, they weren't! I live in a country which was part of the Roman empire and the indigenous population was almost extinct but the Romans weren't seen as barbarians. Dacia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Should the Romanians move in the land of their neighbors and say that they do it because their ancestors owned the land? Do you think that such thing is possible in Europe?
I am German and to us Romans have always been barbarians. We consider the Germanic tribes as the good people who saved Europe from the barbarians
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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I am German and to us Romans have always been barbarians. We consider the Germanic tribes as the good people who saves Europe from the barbarians
That's funny, who in Europe has Germany, not invaded?
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:08 PM
 
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I see it differently. To me it looks like: Now that we have what we wanted, we change the rules so nobody can challenge the status quo that benefits us.
The polices of old were for a particular place and time. The needs and situation of that particular place in time. The US used to encourage immigration without limit to "fillup" the continent with people. These days? We're full up. We want and encourage people who have NEEDED SKILLS (tons of people from China and India come here because of their tech skills), as well as people who can invest in America. We also want to make sure people who DO come here aren't criminals, welfare cases or those that would harm this country.

We also have LEGAL ways to fill up NEED for unskilled labor. However, most illegals circumvent those methods.



Again: Would YOU open up your house to any bum off the streets who wants to sleep on your couch? If you want a roommate, don't you post an ad, ask for half the rent and screen that person for compatibility and cleanliness? What if you had no choice? I mean, you've already secured YOUR entry into the property, aren't you being a hypocrite and self-serving if you don't let a complete stranger come in and set up a bed in your living room without your consent? What if his great-great-great grandfather used to live in a hut on the very location your home is now located?
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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I am German and to us Romans have always been barbarians. We consider the Germanic tribes as the good people who saves Europe from the barbarians
I'm German too and I never seen the Romans as invaders but as a superior culture that helped at the development of our nation!
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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To me the ultimate goal is a world without borders. Borders only lead to great economic and other divides that produce pressure that will lead to violence. Similar to plate tectonics
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:11 PM
 
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To me the ultimate goal is a world without borders. Borders only lead to great economic and other divides that produce pressure that will lead to violence. Similar to plate tectonics
That's not possible and not practical!
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:12 PM
 
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To me the ultimate goal is a world without borders. Borders only lead to great economic and other divides that produce pressure that will lead to violence. Similar to plate tectonics

No thank you. Good borders make good neighbors.

Humans are tribalistic. What you're actually advocating is the eradication of the diversity of culture and custom in the world.... basically everything that makes life and the world interesting.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:13 PM
 
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I'm German too and I never seen the Romans as invaders but as a superior culture that helped at the development of our nation!
I have never seen it that way. When I look at modern Europe I can't help but notice that Germanic regions are superior to 'Roman' ones I can tell because I live in a 'Roman' country now.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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To me the ultimate goal is a world without borders. Borders only lead to great economic and other divides that produce pressure that will lead to violence. Similar to plate tectonics
There will always be violence as long as there are people, or animals.
Just wishing something, does not make it true.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Houston area, for now
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No, they really aren't. They think they are being clever when they talk about the country being founded in 1776 and Mexico as an independent country later, but, completely ignore the fact that what is now Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. were not considered part of the U.S. that was founded in 1776 and still were not until some time after Mexico gained its independence from Spain. The town noted below is just ten minutes from me:
If you read back I did not ignore that fact. I did in fact point it out. How ever the established Mexican Government agreed to the borders with the Louisiana Purchase and later redefined them in the Texas war of Independence.
Again Christopher Columbus: 1492. Mayflower:1620. Louisiana Purchase: 1803. Mexico declared its independence: 1821. Texas war of Independence: 1836.
The fact is before 1776 and 1820 there were mo U. S citizen (British Colonists) or Mexican Citizens (New Spaniards).While Christopher Columbus was here first the borders and the structured societies in question were not even in existence and they were patriated at such a close date that it is inconsequential.
The point is that the President was simply pandering to the crowd by saying they were here first something he continually dose then refuses to hold himself accountable for. It's called a sales pitch. Each time he tries to make the sale he changes thing to match what the audience wants to hear.
By the way if you ever get a chance to call a Spaniard a Mexican I suggest you prepare to run.
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