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Old 09-28-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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People, any people don't tend to value things that are "free" meaning things they don't have to pay for directly.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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People, any people don't tend to value things that are "free" meaning things they don't have to pay for directly.
First of all, what is all this talk about Free?

Second, folks may tend not to value things that are free but I know very few people who don't value getting medical attention when they need it.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:14 PM
 
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Oddly enough, the human liver has a nearly miraculous ability to regenerate. If I were facing a diagnosis such as this, first I would consult a holistic or naturopathic physician, reduce my exposure to chemicals, do a liver cleanse (Andreas Moritz welcomes you to Ener-Chi Wellness Center: Your Trusted Source of Natural Healing Methods), increase my intake of vital nutrients both through supplementation and increase my intake of raw, natural vegetables and fruits, increase my intake of Milk Thistle which supports liver health, get lots of sleep and reduce my stress levels.

By the way, hereditary conditions do not GUARANTEE that you will develop the disease. Only that they are perhaps more prone to it. Therefore, someone who has a family history of something should work THAT MUCH HARDER to avoid it through their lifestyle choices.

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Here's one for you. What would you do about all the cases of cancer caused by carcinogens in the air due to the Republican's refusal to regulate anything related to the environment when it affects business?
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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First of all, what is all this talk about Free?

Second, folks may tend not to value things that are free but I know very few people who don't value getting medical attention when they need it.
I was talking about the UHC system that many posters on this board are in favor of.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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People, any people don't tend to value things that are "free" meaning things they don't have to pay for directly.
I respectfully disagree and feel that is a subjective statement. Someone who has no insurance and has a broken bone set or worse is very grateful for the medical procedure. The moral compass of a nation is defined by how it provides for the least capable of it's citizens.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Okay, let's say you have liver cirrhosis. You need a liver transplant, which will cost $500K upwards. Try solving that problem yourself.
The problem isn't solved. Government simply mandated that whatever the cost of insurance after all the new (Special Interest) mandates, we the consumer will be legally required to pay it.

We should have either nationalized insurance so that profits weren't involved (the Socialist approach, but if you do it, at least do it right), or else reformed the private market by doing something to attack the REAL problem: the affordability of health care, not the lack of universal insurance.

Want to attack the lack of affordability of health care? Set up clinics instead of forcing everyone to use the Emergency Room whenever a problem can't wait a week or more for a doctor appointment. Provide government scholarships for low-income students who want to go to medical school, in return for a few years of service after becoming a doctor (this is how we get doctors in our military, so why not?). Cut the lawyers out of the lottery-winnings of the Tort Liability system; why should a lawyer get 1/3 of damages awarded to a victim? We ALL pay for that, in insurance rates that are now insanely high--and set to skyrocket, with Obamacare's new mandates.

Any of these no-brainers going to happen? No. Why weren't easy solutions like these implemented? Because government does not want to solve our problems. It exists to pay back campaign contributors (Big Business and Special Interests) with laws that increase their profits. It is no coincidence that the rich have continued to get richer no matter which party is in power, and the Political Class has consolidated wealth in its own hands.

The fact that not everyone bought insurance was only a problem for the insurance companies who coveted that extra income. If I were rich, I would self-insure on all levels. As it is, although we are safe drivers with spotless records and have no health issues, insurance already costs my family more than any expense besides taxes. Thanks, tort liability lawyers.

The joke of Obamacare is that Government simply mandated that insurance companies cover everyone and spread the cost among those who have to pay: the Working Class. And does everyone realize that Mental Health care will now be required to be covered by insurance companies AS IF IT WERE A PHYSICAL SICKNESS? This is a black hole for money, as anyone familiar with mental illness can attest. Note that science can't "cure" any mental illness, but mental health professionals can certainly spend a fortune and limitless time (at $250 an hour) "counseling" and prescribing expensive new drugs to manage symptoms.

In the example above, liver cirrhosis, I assume you realize that the primary cause is excessive alcohol consumption? ("Long-term alcoholism is the primary cause of cirrhosis" Causes of liver cirrhosis). Those of us who don't drink or smoke will now pay significantly higher rates to make sure those who knowingly destroy their health with these (legal) drugs are fully covered.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Individual health insurance mandate started as a Republican idea - Business Breaking News - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/24/1545524/individual-health-insurance-mandate.html - broken link)
Mark V. Pauly, a free-market economist at the University of Pennsylvania, said he came up with the proposal for the first George Bush administration.


In 2006, the idea was picked up by Mitt Romney, who as governor of Massachusetts crafted a huge healthcare reform by requiring almost all citizens to have coverage.

"Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate,'' Romney wrote in The Wall Street Journal in 2006. "But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian."

Now all of a sudden, Democrats are evil moneygrubbers for adopting what has been a conservative/libertarian idea from the get to.
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Old 10-23-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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What it does is make us more and more and more dependent upon the GOVERNMENT to solve problems we should learn how to solve ourselves. I don't like being a weak pawn of the government. I am so surprised that so many people are willing to give up their independence because they are "afraid" of some big boogey man.

It's revolting.

20yrsinBranson
If you have a preexisting condition and are turned down by insurance companies, how do you suggest a person solve that? I got an idea. How about voting for someone who makes changes where they can't do that no more.

Talk about revolting.
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