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Old 07-02-2007, 10:27 PM
 
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Huh.... How would stricter laws help? The laws are rather leanient now, and look what's begining to happen.
Yes, stricter laws to make sure that fathers pay child support to their children.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:33 PM
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I doubt the assertion that men are murdering women solely because of child support payments. There must be more to it than that to send these men over the edge.

Some men are forced to pay child support that takes an excessive percentage of their income. Some men are forced to pay child support but are prohibited by the mother to spend anytime with the child. Some men are forced to pay child support for children that are not theirs. Etc, etc, etc.

These can be incredibly frustrating and demoralizing situations for these men, but none of it justifies murder, of course.

The flaw in the system is that justice is not being applied fairly or equally.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:36 PM
 
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It is just like Scott Peterson, and the recent case in Ohio. These men are about to becomes fathers and they realize the responsibility, both financial and personal and they see murder as a way out. How sick. But is releasing them from their obligation the answer? I think not.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I doubt the assertion that men are murdering women solely because of child support payments. There must be more to it than that to send these men over the edge.

Some men are forced to pay child support that takes an excessive percentage of their income. Some men are forced to pay child support but are prohibited by the mother to spend anytime with the child. Some men are forced to pay child support for children that are not theirs. Etc, etc, etc.

These can be incredibly frustrating and demoralizing situations for these men, but none of it justifies murder, of course.

The flaw in the system is that justice is not being applied fairly or equally.
That is really interesting, how can a man be forced to pay child support for a child that is not legally his own?
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Debary, Florida
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Is this question a joke?

Do you really mean to ask if men should be allowed to abandon their children, financially, to avoid murdering them??????

Well heres a novel idea...these men should grow the F up and take responsibility, don't sleep with someone and get them pregnant if you don't want to support a child...if you don't know a woman well enough to know for sure she is using birth control or would be likely to LIE to you, then why would you sleep with her...use some common sense for heavens sake.

This is typical of what I have been saying...patriarchal society...men don't want to pay child support so the poor things resort to killing the Mothers of their children...what next !!!
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Debary, Florida
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I doubt the assertion that men are murdering women solely because of child support payments. There must be more to it than that to send these men over the edge.

Some men are forced to pay child support that takes an excessive percentage of their income. Some men are forced to pay child support but are prohibited by the mother to spend anytime with the child. Some men are forced to pay child support for children that are not theirs. Etc, etc, etc.

These can be incredibly frustrating and demoralizing situations for these men, but none of it justifies murder, of course.

The flaw in the system is that justice is not being applied fairly or equally.
Sorry but I don't buy it...if a man has a child, he has a legal right to see the child until the court says he does not. If a woman is keeping him from his child (which I know happens) then the Father has a duty and a responsibility to call her on it in court.

The courts will tell you that in their eyes, the fact that the Father is behind in child support payments does not mean the court is going to tell him he can't see his child.

AGAIN, if men don't want to pay child support, wear a condom !!!!!

This whining that goes on about this subject is about like my daughter who is 10 standing out in the rain and crying she got wet...DUH!!!
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:56 PM
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That is really interesting, how can a man be forced to pay child support for a child that is not legally his own?
Simple -- by order of a judge. If the man doesn't pay, he goes to jail.

If a woman names a man as the father, the legal system pretty much takes her word for it. DNA testing can sometimes exonerate the man, but there are plenty of cases where the DNA evidence is ignored. Google paternity fraud and go from there.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:09 PM
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Sorry but I don't buy it...if a man has a child, he has a legal right to see the child until the court says he does not. If a woman is keeping him from his child (which I know happens) then the Father has a duty and a responsibility to call her on it in court.
And it is very easy for the woman to make up a story that would cause the court to rule that the man be prohibited from seeing the child.

Whether you buy it or not is irrelevant. It happens. And far too frequently.



Furthermore, women also have responsibilities in these situations, starting with the men they choose to have sex with. No one seems to ever mention these responsibilities.
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Debary, Florida
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And it is very easy for the woman to make up a story that would cause the court to rule that the man be prohibited from seeing the child.

Whether you buy it or not is irrelevant. It happens. And far too frequently.




Furthermore, women also have responsibilities in these situations, starting with the men they choose to have sex with. No one seems to ever mention these responsibilities.

Well lets see, the responsibility to be a single parent to the child RESTS with the MOTHER of the child.

Having sex with is not the same as making a child. The whole point of this thread is men being upset about not wanting to pay child support...if they don't want to pay child support, don't make any babies.

I have NEVER heard of a court taking a persons word for the idea that a child is in danger from a parent, they have to have some evidence.

The LAST person who is typically a victim in cases like this is the Father of the child...both parties seem to forget all about the welfare of the child...some men need to grow up. If your old enough, mature enough to be sleeping around, then your old enough, mature enough to pay child support along the guidelines of the state you live in....if you KNOW your not, then keep your pants on. Learn to exercise some control over your body, don't act like an alley cat. Someone should have taught these people that with sex comes responsibilities...NEWS FLASH.

The court system DOES NOT take a womans word for it when its about the Father of the child. There are cases when a couple is married, it is assumed that if the wife gets pregnant that it belongs to the husband...until the amnio is done or the baby is born and paternity testing can be done. The state will even pay for the paternity testing through welfare if the Mother can't pay.
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Old 07-03-2007, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Poulsbo, WA
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Well heres a novel idea...these men should grow the F up and take responsibility, don't sleep with someone and get them pregnant if you don't want to support a child...if you don't know a woman well enough to know for sure she is using birth control or would be likely to LIE to you, then why would you sleep with her...use some common sense for heavens sake.

This is typical of what I have been saying...patriarchal society...men don't want to pay child support so the poor things resort to killing the Mothers of their children...what next !!!
WAIT WAIT WAIT...

Sometimes my head spins in these threads. The very same people I hear harping about how women need to practice "personal responsibility" are here saying boo hoo for the dads who have to support the kids. Hmmm...
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