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Old 10-19-2010, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The problem is, government wants to have "universal Medicare" for all.

You want that?
If everyone were on the same plan, there would be no issue with doctors not taking the plan. Medicare actually works pretty well, as well as any other insurance, IMO.
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Since 2000, Health Ins premiums have risen 114%, worker contribution to the premiums rose 147%. Yeah, I guess the anticipation of the Obama election and impending premium reform spurred that 10yr growth rate. Those Ins Co. forecasters are just that talented??
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Clarity on the Health Care law is difficult to find on the Campaign trail. But there are sources for people that actually want to know.

Campaign Claims: Health Law Myths And Facts - Kaiser Health News
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Old 10-19-2010, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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Clarity on the Health Care law is difficult to find on the Campaign trail. But there are sources for people that actually want to know.

Campaign Claims: Health Law Myths And Facts - Kaiser Health News
After reading that, I came to one conclusion; it looks like one big cluster f---
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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After reading that, I came to one conclusion; it looks like one big cluster f---
Not wanting to know is a good way to avoid facts.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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Not wanting to know is a good way to avoid facts.
Who is not wanting to know? And a lot of it is speculation and not facts. It's still too early to tell how some of it will play out.

What I do know is that anything that has a government hand involved is bound to be, like I said, a cluster f---.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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But...we doan need no stankin' health care reform! Things are fine, just as they are. Right?
Change is not always for the better. Things can always get worse, and usually do.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I leave work early yesterday because I was feeling awful. I had my wife take me straight to the doctors office. Now when I say doctors office, I mean one of those mega-clinics where there are doctors of different specialties and a ton of ARNP's. You see someone different every time you are there. At least in my area, this is what has replaced the general family doctor. You see someone different every time you are there, usually.

Anyway, I go in, give them my co-pay and take a seat in the massive waiting area. I get called back where they weigh me, sit me in a little room, take my blood pressure and temp and ask why I am there today. In that order. Then an ARNP (nurse practitioner) comes in and asks me why I am there. I give the symptoms and she has me sit up on the table. She listens to my lungs and heart. Checks my ears with the light and then the kicker. She checks in my mouth and tells me to say ahhhh. I comply and she says, "Well your throat looks raw, but you tonsils look fine."

I'm glad my tonsils look good because I haven't had them for 20 years!!! She gives me an Rx for antibiotics and scoots me out the door. From weigh in to finish...6 minutes. What the hell are we running for healthcare? Express lane service? How many serious conditions get missed because they don't actually examine you or listen? I mean, how and the hell can you look at someone's throat and not know they don't have tonsils? Anyway, they will bill my insurance for the standard $125 fee. For 5 minutes of nothing.
I do not know if this is your case; however I had a tonsillectomy when I was 5 yrs old. By the time I was in my twenties, they had grown back!

Question: did you feel any better after the course antibiotics?
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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Our health care has been in the toilet for decades, we are the last western country with out some sort of universal healthcare plan.

Health insurance companies are a racket, their job is to deny your coverage and make a buck at your expense.

I graduated from nursing school in 1972 and have watch our health care go down the drain...OH and BTW, the original HMO was Kaiser supported by none other than "tricky Dick" aka Nixon for those too young to know who he was. From that time forward, the health insurance companies have literally gotten away with murder and each time someone tried to rein them in shouts of communisum and socialism reared it's ughly head.

After WWII Truman saw the writing on the wall and tried for universal health care as Britan was initiating and even then the Medical/Big Pharma/Doctors had to large and too powerful of a lobby to resolve the issues and it has only gotten worse.

For those of you who don't think our health care system is broken...don't get sick!

I'd also suggest you all watch Michael Moore's movie "Sicko" he does a very good job of showing what universal health care is all about in other countries. BTW, I'm not a big fan of Moore's but this documentary is worth a watch.

I have been on both sides of the bed pan and as I age it has become scary for so many reasons.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Obamacare only compounds the problems of the delivery of health care services while decreasing the quality of services rendered. True reform would have addressed actual health care services and availability instead of forcing doctors offices to speed up the pace of the patients seen in order to keep their office doors open.
Could you please tell us exactly how to do that? Can you give an example?

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