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Old 11-13-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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I don't think anyone wants to work in China unless you are Chinese.
Actually you'd be totally wrong. If you are a corporate executive on the fast track then an assignment in China is considered an essential element to separate you from your peers and that is not just for American corporations. I'm in regular contact with some executives and other professionals in Korean corporations and they consider having an assignment and making business contacts in China essential to their climb up the corporate ladder.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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They are smart efficient people, beating up USA in the clean energy race too. Gee, I wonder who would be so stupid to be against nationalized stimulus for infrastructure, modern transportation and clean energy progression in the USA?
I just can't believe this NOTE: THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK!
New poverty line raises number of poor
The new poverty line adopted by the government has increased the number of poor people to 43.2 million, the Caijing magazine has said.

Earlier data, based on a yearly income of 785 yuan ($115), put the number at 14.79 million.
But the government has now raised the threshold, saying a person earning less than 1,067 yuan ($156) a year will be considered living below the poverty line.
Water, air pollution in China still serious
Waters in urban regions were also facing serious pollution, with 90 percent of river water and half of underground water polluted
AIR POLLUTION IN CHINA - China | Facts and Details
According to the World Bank 16 of the worlds’s 20 cities with the worst air are in China. According to Chinese government sources, about a fifth of urban Chinese breath heavily polluted air. Many places smell like high-sulfur coal and leaded gasoline. Only a third of the 340 Chinese cities that are monitored meet China’s own pollution standards.

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China's disabled children are sold into slavery as beggars | World news | The Observer
China's disabled children are sold into slavery as beggars
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:17 AM
 
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This has become the normal level of discourse for Americans, pick an article from the bin of international trivia and try to make a case with it. The fact of the entirely different types of civil engineering standards used in the US and China render the article as a good candidate for the "round file." When an engineering project fails in the US it will be litigated to no end, in China you'd be better off not to mention it publicly for fear of reprisal.

Years ago the Japanese created a genetic altered chicken that went from birth to butcher in seven days, quite a feat but I'd pass on that chicken dinner, the news report that told of the miracle chicken stated that it's diet read like a pharmaceutical order list, something we'd never go for here in the US. China also hasn't created the huge spread of wealth to the degree that we take for granted, they can earmark a ton of money for frills and bragging rights while many chinese barely have enough food or money sometimes. When China confronts their age old problem of poverty to the extent that equals this infatuation with grandstanding public works projects I'll be impressed, in the meantime I don't think a lot of folks are looking to move there anytime soon.......
However the Chinese economy is predicated on the government moving people into the middle class. They've figured out the best way to quell any social unrest is to fatten everybody's wallet. The size of the Chinese middle class is over 300 million people that almost matches the ENTIRE population of the United States.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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Must be said that China still is a government contolled economy based on lousy working conditions for its labour force and bad enviromental regulations and prohibtations of labour unions China has an advantage over the west thanks to it dictatorial government that can implement economical policies unhinderd from an political oppostion.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:20 AM
 
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Actually you'd be totally wrong. If you are a corporate executive on the fast track then an assignment in China is considered an essential element to separate you from your peers and that is not just for American corporations. I'm in regular contact with some executives and other professionals in Korean corporations and they consider having an assignment and making business contacts in China essential to their climb up the corporate ladder.
I lived and worked in China for a year.

It's not nearly as bad as people think. The American media is making China out to be some kind of hell and that's what most people seem to think of it these days. It's definitely no paradise, but it's bad reputation is over blown.

The people there have about the same level of freedom as in the USA too. If you think Americans are much more free than those "Commies" in China think again. It's pretty close.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:21 AM
 
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This video tells it all. 15 stories in 2 days. Foundation to completion in 6 days. It takes us a YEAR to build a simple bridge and a month to build a simple 1600 sq foot house. The Chinese are a marvel of planning and efficiency!

Behind The Wall - 15 Floors in 2 Days...
I think this article says it all. At its present rate of growth the Chinese economy will overtake the United States economy as the #1 economy in the world in terms of GDP much faster than previously expected.

China GDP to top US in 2012: report - GlobalTimes (http://business.globaltimes.cn/china-economy/2010-11/591476.html - broken link)

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China 'to Overtake U.S. in 2 Years'

China's rapidly growing economy will catch up with that of the United States by 2012, a think tank predicts. The Conference Board on Wednesday said China will emerge as the world's largest economy based on purchasing power parity in two years, overtaking the U.S.

The new "Conference Board Global Economic Outlook" issued Wednesday says although the current scale of the U.S. economy of US$15 trillion based on GDP is much larger than China's US$5 trillion, considering the different price levels of the two countries and taking purchasing power parity as a measure, China can overtake the U.S. in 2012. The think tank predicts it will take over 10 years for China to match the U.S. in terms of GDP.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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However the Chinese economy is predicated on the government moving people into the middle class. They've figured out the best way to quell any social unrest is to fatten everybody's wallet. The size of the Chinese middle class is over 300 million people that almost matches the ENTIRE population of the United States.


No flippin way you can compare income levels! I spend more going out to dinner than 60 MILLION Chinese make in a year!!!!


China Income Gap Between Rich and Poor Provoking Alarm, Reports Say

Urban incomes in China now average about $1,000 a year, while in the countryside incomes still average just over $300. Other developing countries with income levels about that of China, have tended to see "social contradictions" over time, the Xinhua report noted.
The language harkens back to the revolutionary era of Mao Zedong, when the Communist Party nationalized private business and seized land from wealthy farmers in one of the most extreme leveling campaigns ever undertaken.
These days, the wealth gap is evident everywhere, from elderly citizens digging through downtown trash bins for plastic bottles to recycle to migrant shacks squeezed between luxury villas in Shanghai's suburbs.
Among the wealthiest are private business owners whose fortunes were built through hard work and talent, the Xinhua report said - and those whose riches stem from corruption and crime.
Meanwhile, according to the China Poverty-Relief Fund, nearly 30 million Chinese live in absolute poverty, meaning that by local standards they lack enough food and clothing. Another 60 million have incomes below 865 yuan (about $100) a year - well below the $1 a day that the World Bank takes as its standard.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:32 AM
 
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Lets face it today China is the most ruthlessly capitalist country in the world with a strongly growing economical divide between rich and poor lousy regulations for workers safety and for the enviorment a one party state that can implement growth based policies without hindrance of an political oppostion.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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China is the example that a comand economy can be succesfull and that dictatorial policies can generate growth much easier than democracic ones as long as Chinas one party dictaorship is in power stability and propsperity can be generated its part of the Chinese culture that is anti democratic and authoritarian and paternal that is the root of Chinas succes.
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Old 11-13-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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I agree with NomadRefugee, in everyday life the Chinese are about as free as Europeans and US-Americans. The authoritarian political system does not really affect most people at all. I work for Chinese clients sometimes, they are not at all the oppressed people we seem to expect. I guess we have the wrong image in our minds, probably dating back to the Tiananmen Square massacre.
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